The Security Of The Believer

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Everlasting-Grace

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s long as we are alive, we can produce fruit.

Only when this life has passed has the ability to produce fruit been cut off..

hint hint
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
you really are skilled in Lying.
had you only been with me at the Bay.
really would have been some truly serious fun ;)
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show me a lie.. A real lie..

Go ahead my friend. I will wait. like I am still waiting for you to show me where jesus said the words. repent daily...
 
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The_Watchers_2017

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find me the VERSE that says humans are the TRUE VINE, or VINE?

especially, when it is JESUS talking.
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
find me the VERSE that says humans are the TRUE VINE, or VINE?
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Show me were I EVER said humans are the vine, or anyone else said this for that matter.

You can't. Because like your lie about Jesus saying repent daily. No one said it..

But I will wait patiently
 
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how can one claim they are made up of many branches, but, then not claim they refer to being the Vine.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Jesus is the VINE, you are only the BRANCH.

how do you think you are the VINE?

that's NOWHERE in the Bible.


these words were SPOKEN by JESUS, He calls HIMSELF the VINE:

1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.
2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit
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I have never seen a branch, that does not have other branches coming off of it. Same with a vine. I love to garden, the main vine has branches and those branches have branches of their own. If those branches are not useful, I cut them off. But the branch coming from the vine is still intact and alive.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.
2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit

how can a SINNER, be IN CHRIST, without first being Saved?
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This is an excellent question, and very logical. So you have to ask yourself: what is God teaching in the passage?
So reading through John 15, what is God actually teaching in the passage? What's the subject or main point?
 
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Kroogz said:
I have never seen a branch, that does not have other branches coming off of it. Same with a vine. I love to garden, the main vine has branches and those branches have branches of their own. If those branches are not useful, I cut them off. But the branch coming from the vine is still intact and alive.
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that's why it says if you are producing fruit, you are being pruned.

but the none of the Branches can produce if it is not producing from the Source, the Vine.

Jesus specifically said, No fruit, which means no producing, the Branch is cut off.
 
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Kroogz said:
I have never seen a branch, that does not have other branches coming off of it. Same with a vine. I love to garden, the main vine has branches and those branches have branches of their own. If those branches are not useful, I cut them off. But the branch coming from the vine is still intact and alive.
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if they do not want to see it they will not
 
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Cameron143 said:
This is an excellent question, and very logical. So you have to ask yourself: what is God teaching in the passage?
So reading through John 15, what is God actually teaching in the passage? What's the subject or main point?
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to REMAIN in Him, or to ABIDE

which is a Command.

why is God Commanding this?
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
that's why it says if you are producing fruit, you are being pruned.

but the none of the Branches can produce if it is not producing from the Source, the Vine.

Jesus specifically said, No fruit, which means no producing, the Branch is cut off.
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What if as a believer I produce fruit in this area.

But in that area I do not produce fruit.

Does not God prune the one branch so it produces more fruit

and determines why the other is not producing (is it lying on the ground, being choked out. Does it need cut off?
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
to REMAIN in Him, or to ABIDE

which is a Command.

why is God Commanding this?
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15 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He [a]takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
it's a Command, which is why most are not obeying it.

reading this Thread, you see, no one wants to Obey Commands from God.

they want to Obey their Doctrine, which is their god.
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who is not obeying it?

You sure do love to judge people when you do not know them
 
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people can only produce what God intends for them to produce.

you act like you control how it can be done.

only thing we control, is whether we Obey or Not.
 
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