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Gen 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

1.So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him.

The only perfect man created by God in his own image is Jesus.

The Gospel of John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

2.male and female created he them.

I think this passage is strange, just a direct way, that is, men and women use their imagination to create images of gods that are not God who created them.

3.Based on the second point, God needs to correct human worship of false gods.

Gen
2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

song of songs
4:11 Thy lips, O my spouse, drop as the honeycomb: honey and milk are under thy tongue; and the smell of thy garments is like the smell of Lebanon.
4:16 Awake, O north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits.

1 Corinthians
15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

4.Now we know Jesus is The only perfect man created by God in his own image. So he is the firstfruits come from the garden of God.

The Gospel of John
6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
6:48 I am that bread of life.
6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

5.Have you noticed that God does things from beginning to the end, with clear thinking and consistency

Rev 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
 
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Obedience said:
Gen 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

1.So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him.

The only perfect man created by God in his own image is Jesus.

The Gospel of John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

2.male and female created he them.

I think this passage is strange, just a direct way, that is, men and women use their imagination to create images of gods that are not God who created them.

3.Based on the second point, God needs to correct human worship of false gods.

Gen
2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

song of songs
4:11 Thy lips, O my spouse, drop as the honeycomb: honey and milk are under thy tongue; and the smell of thy garments is like the smell of Lebanon.
4:16 Awake, O north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits.

1 Corinthians
15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

4.Now we know Jesus is The only perfect man created by God in his own image. So he is the firstfruits come from the garden of God.

The Gospel of John
6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
6:48 I am that bread of life.
6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

5.Have you noticed that God does things from beginning to the end, with clear thinking and consistency

Rev 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
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Who told you that Jesus Christ was created? Secondly, please quote the verses that prove your contention that Jesus is created? Thank You!

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
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bluto said:
Who told you that Jesus Christ was created? Secondly, please quote the verses that prove your contention that Jesus is created? Thank You!

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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The Gospel of Luke 22:42
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Sorry, I just picked up the scripture, I didn't want to prove anything that you want me to prove.

What the idea of that you want to prove?
 
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Obedience said:
The Gospel of Luke 22:42
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Sorry, I just picked up the scripture, I didn't want to prove anything that you want me to prove.

What the idea of that you want to prove?
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My question is based on what you said here: "The only perfect man created by God in his own image is Jesus." So how does you quoting Luke 22:42 supports Jesus being created? That's all I'm asking, please clarify what you mean? Welcome to Church Chat. PS: Is Jesus Christ God according to you?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
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Rev 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

God is the living God, Jesus is the living word of God, Jesus is the life.

God created the life, and God himself is the life.

So who created WHO?

The beginning is the life and the end is the life.
 
Nehemiah6

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Obedience said:
The only perfect man created by God in his own image is Jesus.
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While Jesus of Nazareth was the only perfect man (as you have noted) He was NOT created by God. Christ is the eternal Son of God, the eternal Word of God, God the Son why existed with the Father and the Holy Spirit in eternity past. Indeed Christ is the Creator of the universe, not a creature.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
While Jesus of Nazareth was the only perfect man (as you have noted) He was NOT created by God. Christ is the eternal Son of God, the eternal Word of God, God the Son why existed with the Father and the Holy Spirit in eternity past. Indeed Christ is the Creator of the universe, not a creature.
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It sounds like a mixed theory of Christianity and Catholicism, but I haven't found a suitable word to describe the process of God educating human beings the creature because I'm using biblical adjectives. Which deity of man told you what you're describing, and please let me know which biblical scripture to refer it.
 
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Obedience said:
It sounds like a mixed theory of Christianity and Catholicism, but I haven't found a suitable word to describe the process of God educating human beings the creature because I'm using biblical adjectives. Which deity of man told you what you're describing, and please let me know which biblical scripture to refer it.
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This response of yours is actually very bizarre. You started off with suggesting that Christ is a creature, and now you are off on some incomprehensible tangent. "Which deity of man told you what you are describing" ? Seriously? The Bible says that Jesus is GOD, not a creature. So let's stop right there. You can either admit that this is what the Bible says, or you can continue to talk nonsense.
 
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Obedience said:
Rev 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

God is the living God, Jesus is the living word of God, Jesus is the life.

God created the life, and God himself is the life.

So who created WHO?

The beginning is the life and the end is the life.
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You seem mixed up on issues. and I base that on the fact that you do not know how to "reconcile" verse that appear to be contradictory, but they are not. You quoted Revelation 22:13 which is referring to Jesus Christ. Jesus is also identified as the first and last Revelation 1:17. So here's a question for you from Isaiah 44:6, "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel And his Redemer, the Lord of hosts; I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." So is there two "first and last" or only one "first and last?" Btw, John 1:4 clearly says, "In Him was life, and the life was the light of men." In other words, Jesus Christ had life in Himself which also means He was not created.

Finally, if you really think that Jesus Christ was created why is He identified as the creator at John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:10 by His own Father and at Revelation 3:14?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
This response of yours is actually very bizarre. You started off with suggesting that Christ is a creature, and now you are off on some incomprehensible tangent. "Which deity of man told you what you are describing" ? Seriously? The Bible says that Jesus is GOD, not a creature. So let's stop right there. You can either admit that this is what the Bible says, or you can continue to talk nonsense.
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What I am expressing is the process described in this Bible, and I do not deny the divinity of Jesus. Please note here What I am talking about is that God educates human through the Bible. If I use the words of the Bible about God created man, please tell me where the mistake ? If the man is Jesus, why is this quote incorrect? Which man of deity taught you it must wrong to think in this way, then if I use the word man to Describing Jesus, am I still wrong?
 
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bluto said:
You seem mixed up on issues. and I base that on the fact that you do not know how to "reconcile" verse that appear to be contradictory, but they are not. You quoted Revelation 22:13 which is referring to Jesus Christ. Jesus is also identified as the first and last Revelation 1:17. So here's a question for you from Isaiah 44:6, "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel And his Redemer, the Lord of hosts; I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." So is there two "first and last" or only one "first and last?" Btw, John 1:4 clearly says, "In Him was life, and the life was the light of men." In other words, Jesus Christ had life in Himself which also means He was not created.

Finally, if you really think that Jesus Christ was created why is He identified as the creator at John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:10 by His own Father and at Revelation 3:14?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Life come from the God, life always be there as God said ： "Tell them that I AM THAT I AM sent you." We can understand a lot about God from that name. It means that He is the same yesterday, today, forever.

life is the same yesterday, today, forever.

Let me ask you a question, are you the son of God? If you are the son of God, are you still the creature?
 
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Obedience said:
Gen 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

1.So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him.

The only perfect man created by God in his own image is Jesus.

The Gospel of John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

2.male and female created he them.

I think this passage is strange, just a direct way, that is, men and women use their imagination to create images of gods that are not God who created them.

3.Based on the second point, God needs to correct human worship of false gods.

Gen
2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

song of songs
4:11 Thy lips, O my spouse, drop as the honeycomb: honey and milk are under thy tongue; and the smell of thy garments is like the smell of Lebanon.
4:16 Awake, O north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits.

1 Corinthians
15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

4.Now we know Jesus is The only perfect man created by God in his own image. So he is the firstfruits come from the garden of God.

The Gospel of John
6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
6:48 I am that bread of life.
6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

5.Have you noticed that God does things from beginning to the end, with clear thinking and consistency

Rev 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Click to expand...
Perfect? Biblically, perfect means complete, not lacking. Maybe you meant sinless? Perfect and sinless are two different things. Jesus was not born perfect. Throughout his life, he was being made perfect through his experiences.

Hebrews 5:
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
 
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Jn 1: 1-3 KJV "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things that were made were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made."
 
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Obedience said:
Life come from the God, life always be there as God said ： "Tell them that I AM THAT I AM sent you." We can understand a lot about God from that name. It means that He is the same yesterday, today, forever.

life is the same yesterday, today, forever.

Let me ask you a question, are you the son of God? If you are the son of God, are you still the creature?
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Hi...
A direct question for you: Is English a second language for you? It appears to be, and that could mean you're trying to say things that don't quite make sense to native English speakers. No shame in that, but it would help if everyone knows you're struggling a bit to communicate.
 
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Dino246 said:
Hi...
A direct question for you: Is English a second language for you? It appears to be, and that could mean you're trying to say things that don't quite make sense to native English speakers. No shame in that, but it would help if everyone knows you're struggling a bit to communicate.
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Okay,second language
So I don't understand what you mean.LOL.

The Bible says I say you are God, you are all the son of God.

are you still the creature?
 
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John146 said:
Perfect? Biblically, perfect means complete, not lacking. Maybe you meant sinless? Perfect and sinless are two different things. Jesus was not born perfect. Throughout his life, he was being made perfect through his experiences.

Hebrews 5:
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
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Thank you for adding and sharing.

I think it is the both, Perfect and sinless.
I was want to express the process of what I saw and understood from the beginning of Genesis to Jesus Christ.,

I know that there is only one true God, But after learning and understanding, I was shocked by the process of learning and understanding, God wants to made us as him,as a God.I know it's impossible for now to us. First we should to become life.

But this is my understanding of the complete meaning that God intended to express from the beginning of Genesis to Jesus Christ.

Everyone says they learned from both Catholic and Christian traditions that Jesus is God. Why is this result? No one told you the process, just told you it's like this.

I am only showcasing the part of this process in the Bible. From this process, I understand that Jesus is God, but it is a different learning and understanding process.

If you can understand the deeper meaning of the sentence from Genesis.Gen 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him.

Who is Jesus?
The Bible says
1.son of man
2.son of God
3.the image of God

That's what makes sense.
 
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Oh,another one important thing for the sinless.

Hebrews 5:
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

The beginning of Adam and Eve's sin from disobedience the word of God. God said you can't eat it.

Traditionally, what people teach you is that Jesus is sinless because he is God, but my understanding is that Jesus is sinless because of his obedience.
 
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Obedience said:
Rev 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

God is the living God, Jesus is the living word of God, Jesus is the life.

God created the life, and God himself is the life.

So who created WHO?

The beginning is the life and the end is the life.
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Jesus is the creator.

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 3, 10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

adam was the only man actually created everyone else has been born even Jesus he was born into this world of a woman this wasn’t his beginning just his appearance in the flesh

“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; and, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:15-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He created things and then later he came to reconcile things
 
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For by life were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by life, and for life:
 
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Obedience said:
The Bible says I say you are God, you are all the son of God.
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No. That is NOT what the Bible says. Here is what is said in Psalm 82,6,7: I have said, Ye are gods [small "g]; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

Who is tis addressed to? UNJUST AND UNRIGHEOUS JUDGES IN ISRAEL: God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. (Ps 82:1,2)

"The mighty" and "the gods" is from the Hebrew word "elohim" (plural). This word not only can apply to the one true God, but it can also be applied to the mighty ones among men. In Israel the judges had a lot of power. "but they shall die like men". But the translators were careful not to call them "God" (as you have done).

The KJV translates Strong's H430 in the following manner: God (2,346x), god (244x), judge (5x), GOD (1x), goddess (2x), great (2x), mighty (2x), angels (1x), exceeding (1x), God-ward (with H4136) (1x), godly (1x). [ Note: so this is based upon the context]
  1. (plural)
    1. rulers, judges
    2. divine ones
    3. angels
    4. gods
  2. (plural intensive - singular meaning)
    1. god, goddess
    2. godlike one
    3. works or special possessions of God
    4. the (true) God
    5. God
NOTE: Your posts reveal a lot of spiritual confusion. So either you do not really know the truth or you are here to sow spiritual confusion. Time will tell.
 
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