Would Jesus drink Alcohol?

I don't know LOL Oh " this is not worthy of ban."

I don't really know how someone like yourself and other moderators go about your process of determining what is worthy of a ban.

Not even my place to look at another Poster and posts and assume I deem it worthy of a ban.

I believe denying God and the Deity of God is a good solid reason for one, but, whatever the other reasons for a ban are, they are not privy to my understanding.

So, I just ask, when someone gets banned as to why.

It doesn't change anything for me, just gives me some idea to what moderators are looking for.

I would probably be too lenient because I think any bad ideas and false doctrines can be destroyed by debating them.

Foolish people make many mistakes that are way too easy to defeat them with.

But that's probably not how it works here and oh well lol...it is what it is...

I disagree.... there are people on here that absolutely do not WANT to be taught or enlightened. They will argue that day is night, from now on.
A forum does not lend itself to "defeating" someone in a discussion.... IMO, of course.
How much progress had been made "defeating" the banned person in this instance? None...

good point made

Interesting.

Isn't Kosher law different from the Laws God gave? I mean, Kosher Law is Rabbinic, made by man, right? Jesus wasn't fond of those extra laws that the Pharisees had added.

The Jews must have used yeast back in those days, otherwise God wouldn't have given all the instructions to remove it from them and their houses, right? So, they would have used yeast on ordinary days.

I don't think that He would have been following Kosher laws back then but would stayed true to the laws God have given and drank wine that didn't have the added yeast.

Personally, I don't come here to learn things from random people on the internet. But it seems like a lot of people come here to teach... and they get upset when they aren't accepted as teachers.

And while that's a strange thing, many of the ones that see them as teachers aren't very well educated in either the Word or in different methods of teaching. They just kinda' blast out their message and then condemn anyone who disagrees.

I think that it would be foolish for anyone to come here as if they've come to a school to be educated. Likewise, it would be foolish to think that one could come here to teach others as if they're professors at a school of higher learning. IMHO.

Nevertheless, I have learned a few things in my time here... but that's been from well ground individuals who present things from Scripture in a respectful manner.

Amen!

First Off, many times, a ban can happen and you are not subject to see why. We don't advertise the reason as to why because of privacy.

Many people have been banned and allowed back even after being banned many times. The Site Founder and Admin are very long suffering. Those typic that this Site has made known that will not tolerate have been said repeatedly.

CC holds to the "Trinity" doctrine as it is seen in the word of God. Those who don't are welcome to make their case yet CC doesn't allow and rightfully so, those who attack The Teaching and those who hold to it. If you look at the Thread and posting one can see why this person was banned. You may not agree, and that is fine.

i did look and finally saw in all he participated and can see where he did things based on [personal intention] rather than Biblical Fact.

and I agree, i know very little about what all goes into and is factored before issuing a ban.

reminds me of the saying many tend to use here, "future sins are forgiven," but that phrase is nowhere in the Bible.
and when you ask for Scripture proof, you get Doctrinal baloney.

should ban anyone giving personal interpretation that cannot be specifically backed word for word in the Bible!!

Don't get drunk on wine.

Matthew 9:17
Nor do men put new wine into old skins, otherwise the skins burst and the wine is poured out, and the skins will be destroyed; but they put new wine into new skins, and both are preserved together.

When Jesus made wine, it had high alcohol content.

In my post, I used historical data about the alcohol contents back in Jesus day.

There is a form of sugar in grapes.

The predominant sugars that are present in grapes are glucose and fructose, with only trace content of sucrose in grape berries of most cultivars.


Molecular characterization and technological properties of wine yeasts isolated during spontaneous fermentation of Vitis vinifera L.cv. Narince grape must grown in ancient wine making area Tokat, Anatolia
AuthorsZeynep Dilan ÇelikHüseyin ErtenMerve DariciTurgut Cabaroğlu
Article2017
inBIO Web of Conferencesv9 (2017)
SummaryNarince is a native white grape variety of Vitis vinifera L grown in Tokat and produces rich and balanced wines often with a greenish yellow tint and delicate fruity flavour. Fermentation by indigenous yeasts may produce wines with complex oenological properties that are unique to specific region. In this study yeast population during alcoholic fermentation of Narince was investigated. Yeasts were identified by PCR-RFLP analysis of the 5.8 ITS rRNA region and sequence information for the D1/D2 domains of the 26S gene. Eight different species belonging to nine genera were identified as: Hanseniaspora uvarum, Hansenispora guilliermondii, Pichia kluyveri, Metschnikowiaspp., Pichia occidentalis, Torulaspora delbrueckii, Candida zemplinina, Lachancea thermotolerance and Saccharomyces cerevisiae. Hanseniaspora guilliermondii, Metschnikowiaspp., Pichia occidentalis and Pichia kluyveri were identified only in the early stage of fermentation. Selected yeasts tested for their physiological traits, ethanol, SO2, temperature, pH tolerance, H2S production, killer and enzymatic activity, fermentation rate, flocculation characteristic, foam, volatile acid and volatile compounds production. Among the yeasts, one,Lachancea thermotolerance and four Saccharomyces cerevisiae strain showed remarkable technological properties and results were compared with those obtained by using commercial starter culture. https://opendigtheolib.on.worldcat....clusterResults=false&groupVariantRecords=true

No, only getting drunk on it.

Hi only does not want us to get drunk.

He drank wine at meals.

Genesis 49:12
The eyes are red with wine, And the teeth [are] white with milk.
There are 237 references to wine in the Bible.

1 Samuel 1:14
And Eli said to her, How long wilt thou be drunken? put away thy wine from thee.


Song of Solomon 5:1
I am come into my garden, my sister, [my] spouse; I have gathered my myrrh with my spice; I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey; I have drunk my wine with my milk. Eat, O friends; drink, yea, drink abundantly, beloved ones!

Isaiah 28:1
Woe to the crown of pride of the drunkards of Ephraim, and to the fading flower of his glorious adornment, which is on the head of the fat valley of them that are overcome with wine.

Isaiah 49:26
And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with new wine. And all flesh shall know that I, Jehovah, [am] thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.
Jeremiah 23:9
Concerning the prophets: My heart within me is broken; all my bones shake; I am like a drunken man, and like a man whom wine hath overcome; because of Jehovah, and because of the words of his holiness.

Joel 1:5
Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine: for it is cut off from your mouth.
Luke 5:39
And no one having drunk old wine [straightway] wishes for new, for he says, The old is better.
John 2:10
and says to him, Every man sets on first the good wine, and when [men] have well drunk, then the inferior; thou hast kept the good wine till now.
Ephesians 5:18
And be not drunk with wine, in which is debauchery; but be filled with the Spirit,

Beer has been around since 10,000 BC

The craft of beer brewing traveled to Egypt through trade and the Egyptians improved upon the original process, creating a lighter product that enjoyed great popularity. Although beer was known afterwards to the Greeks and Romans, it never gained the same kind of following as those cultures preferred wine and thought of beer as a "barbarian" drink.

https://www.worldhistory.org/article/223/beer-in-the-ancient-world/

I have a question - I always thought that the Bible called grape juice "new wine." But Hosea 4:11 says "Infidelity, wine, and new wine take away the understanding." If new wine also takes away understanding, then maybe I was wrong about that?

Jesus was a Jew, and since you are mistaken about that, i can't trust what you say about alcohol either.

OP has been banned, so cannot respond to anything you say...


Welcome!

New wine is wine, just has less alcohol. Yeast in the liquid consumes sugars and produces alcohol. New wine means it has had very long for the yeast to consume sugar and produced alcohol. Wine will have more alcohol the older it is but alcohol production will stop when all the sugars have been consumed.

The Bible says Jesus was a Jew in many places. Jesus himself indicated to the woman at the well that he was a Jew in John 4. The woman asked Jesus " How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans." vs 9. Jesus did not correct her about him being a Jew. Then in verse 22, Jesus positively affirmed that he was Jewish with these words: " Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews."