The Glasgow razor boy and eternal security

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Everlasting-Grace

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YOU didn't have a choice, Adam had a choice.
oh so NOW Adam had a choice?
You are born a sinner, you were bound to sin. You will die because of it, you are bound to death.

God has had mercy upon your enslaved soul, your will which was in bondage to sin and death. It did it while you were yet in your sins.

Give God ALL the praise and glory ... don't now say you were free all along.
God gets the glory.

He died for me, He gave his word which I had to read and see who God was, I saw in other people How God changed them, I see through his creation his works. Amd f see the evil not only in my heart bu all around me.

I even prayed for months, for God to forgive me.

But that one time I ChOSE to walk down the aisle. And a deacon took me in a back room and walked me thorough the gospel of John, that I became like the tax collector. And God saved me.

I am saved by Grace, not of works. Lest I could boast (of saving myself) but that salvation will only come through faith (trust assurance) in all God has done, is doing and will do
 

Everlasting-Grace

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I agree.
And your approach was the correct one indeed.
Religious people and myself don't get along very well. And I definitely understand your position.

It's a shame about that girl. A soul that definitely would have given herself to God, but lost possibly forever over the actions of a zealot.

Happens all the time.

People, claim predestination. But I see many times, the person, would have come to God, but the so-called Follower of God is the guilty one who ran them straight into the gates of Hell.

One has to believe, God, will reward that type of action reaction accordingly.
I fear that happened to my Aunt
 

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Well I discern everyone needs to be saved. but to answer directly I know [from God] when someone is on the hook.

I may love my Arminian brothers but it is a great mistake to go asoulwinning with them for they are of a different mind. I was preaching in Hyde Park London and the crowds were swirling around, I read Isaiah "Come let us reason together saith the Lord, though your sins be as scarlet they shall be made as white as wool." [British people know what coal is] I shouted out "Your heart may be as black as coal but God can make you as pure as the driven snow"

There were 3 naughty boys making their way through the crowds some 50 yards away, motor cycle boys, greasers, and bobbing along behind a little blonde thing in her leathers and studs ... she was one of the boys. Now I do not have a loud voice, my voice soon breaks yet somehow my words fell on that girl like a ton of bricks. She made for me like an irate wasp "what did you say that to me for?" she demanded.

I explained to her that I was simply reading a promise that God has made to you, "if you will come to Him He will make your heart as pure as snow by a miracle" she was AMAZED "do you really mean that?"

Aw when people search your eyes intently trying to understand, it is worth more than all the gold in Fort Knox.

But my belovéd Arminian friend couldn't away with that, he put his finger up "ah brother we must be very careful about what we promise"

I coulda bit his finger off, she looked at me, she looked at him, she looked back at me and turned away back to her boys. My heart longed after her ....
My pastor preachers at Speakers corner on Sunday mornings...I went one Sunday to listen , he stands on a ladder :giggle:...It can be quite rowdy over there , a lot of Muslims come against him...Loved your story about the women , may God make His seed grow in her...xox...
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Well I discern everyone needs to be saved. but to answer directly I know [from God] when someone is on the hook.

I may love my Arminian brothers but it is a great mistake to go asoulwinning with them for they are of a different mind. I was preaching in Hyde Park London and the crowds were swirling around, I read Isaiah "Come let us reason together saith the Lord, though your sins be as scarlet they shall be made as white as wool." [British people know what coal is] I shouted out "Your heart may be as black as coal but God can make you as pure as the driven snow"

There were 3 naughty boys making their way through the crowds some 50 yards away, motor cycle boys, greasers, and bobbing along behind a little blonde thing in her leathers and studs ... she was one of the boys. Now I do not have a loud voice, my voice soon breaks yet somehow my words fell on that girl like a ton of bricks. She made for me like an irate wasp "what did you say that to me for?" she demanded.

I explained to her that I was simply reading a promise that God has made to you, "if you will come to Him He will make your heart as pure as snow by a miracle" she was AMAZED "do you really mean that?"

Aw when people search your eyes intently trying to understand, it is worth more than all the gold in Fort Knox.

But my belovéd Arminian friend couldn't away with that, he put his finger up "ah brother we must be very careful about what we promise"

I coulda bit his finger off, she looked at me, she looked at him, she looked back at me and turned away back to her boys. My heart longed after her ....
amazing story. Amen, I hope she found Christ.

What is odd though is it seemed you were more free will than your arminian friend.
 

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In a nutshell, "Sin" is the fallen state that affects every human being on the planet. Thoughts, words, or deeds of disobedience are considered "sins," and the motivation behind our desire to engage in such wicked behavior is referred to as the state of "sin." In his well-known Psalm of confession, King David makes reference to his inherited sinfulness. In Psalm 51:5, notice that David refers to the word “sin” (singular).

To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David when Nathan the prophet went to him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. Have mercy upon me, O God, According to Your lovingkindness; According to the multitude of Your tender mercies, Blot out my transgressions. Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, And cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions, And my sin is always before me. Against You, You only, have I sinned, And done this evil in Your sight—That You may be found just when You speak, And blameless when You judge. Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.- Psalm 51:1-5 (NKJV)

In verse 5, David is referring to the sin state in which he was born rather than any specific "sins."

The explanation of our fallen state is made clear in Romans 5:12:
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned — And in Romans 6:23, it is written: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. The price of sin is death.

As a result, we are born into sin (the fallen state) and commit acts of disobedience. We do not sin because we are sinners; rather, sin is what we do because we are sinners. We are all lost because of this. Because of the fatal condition of sin into which we are all born and which subsequently drives us to commit sins or disobey God's Word in our thoughts, words, and deeds, the world is condemned before God:

As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.- Romans 3:10-11,23-26

Without God's grace, there would be no hope for our situation. …

But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
- Ephesians 2:4-9


For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
- 2 Corinthians 5:21
You respond with truth. But you don't answer my question. I'm not asking about sin. I'm asking about God being just if He sends someone to hell whose sins He accepted payment for. That's all. Is it just of God to send someone to hell for sin that has been paid for and He accepted that payment? Please just a simple yes or no.
 

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You respond with truth. But you don't answer my question. I'm not asking about sin. I'm asking about God being just if He sends someone to hell whose sins He accepted payment for. That's all. Is it just of God to send someone to hell for sin that has been paid for and He accepted that payment? Please just a simple yes or no.
Okay then. Yes. God would be just because Jesus died for the sin of the world, (not the sins).

Then He said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me." And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures. Then He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, "and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

- Luke 24:44-47
 

Cameron143

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Okay then. Yes. God would be just because Jesus died for the sin of the world, (not the sins).

Then He said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me." And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures. Then He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, "and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

- Luke 24:44-47
More semantics. What sin is God justified in having received and accepted payment for, and still require further payment?
 

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amazing story. Amen, I hope she found Christ.

What is odd though is it seemed you were more free will than your arminian friend.
No ... her soul was awakened, she was acting under constraint, I'm CERTAIN she got saved subsequently ... just somebody else will have the joy of reeling her in. But what hardship might she have suffered needlessly in the mean time.
 

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My pastor preachers at Speakers corner on Sunday mornings...I went one Sunday to listen , he stands on a ladder :giggle:...It can be quite rowdy over there , a lot of Muslims come against him...Loved your story about the women , may God make His seed grow in her...xox...
aye it's changed since my day, I used to stand on a milk crate The Muslims managed to close it down one Sunday, the first time in it's history. Folks do get saved there. One brother used to take his dog and when he started preaching the dog used to bark alongside him.
 

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oh so NOW Adam had a choice?


God gets the glory.

He died for me, He gave his word which I had to read and see who God was, I saw in other people How God changed them, I see through his creation his works. Amd f see the evil not only in my heart bu all around me.

I even prayed for months, for God to forgive me.

But that one time I ChOSE to walk down the aisle. And a deacon took me in a back room and walked me thorough the gospel of John, that I became like the tax collector. And God saved me.

I am saved by Grace, not of works. Lest I could boast (of saving myself) but that salvation will only come through faith (trust assurance) in all God has done, is doing and will do
Adam always had a choice, I've never said differently. As our federal head he chose for us. We do not have a choice ... only if God first sets us free to choose. The faith is not of ourselves, it is given to us.
 

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What was the sin in the garden?
Transgression of the law. How does this answer the question I posed? You continue to broaden the scope of the discussion. Just tell me plainly what sin is God justified in condemning a person to hell for after receiving and accepting payment for it?
 

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Your right,, but they had to chose in free will to go down that path.

Many have chosen to be freed from t hat path. And recieved christ.
they were born in sin and conceived in iniquity, in bondage. The awakening of the soul is the work of the Holy Ghost and the faith to believe the gospel a gift.
 

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Anything God created was good and very good. To me, thats perfect.. ,

In the way God designed nd created them, they were effect.

Even better, they had no sin, or sin nature. So they earned the right to be in the presence of God. (they are the only
two other that Christ who had accomplished that, (up to the point where they gave into temptation and chose to sin.
We are perfected in Christ. If Adam and Eve had no sin nature, how was it they came to actually sin?

They were of the natural world. Saying they earned the right to be in God's presence is not a Biblical concept.

Though God had every right to cast them from His presence after they sinned...
 

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Transgression of the law. How does this answer the question I posed? You continue to broaden the scope of the discussion. Just tell me plainly what sin is God justified in condemning a person to hell for after receiving and accepting payment for it?
Aw, Cameron; you just don’t get it. So sorry. :cautious:
 

Cameron143

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Aw, Cameron; you just don’t get it. So sorry. :cautious:
I'm trying to. I suspect you know the correct answer to my question, but in acknowledging it, it would require a change in many of the presuppositions you hold.
 

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I'm trying to. I suspect you know the correct answer to my question, but in acknowledging it, it would require a change in many of the presuppositions you hold.
Nope, not at all. On the contrary, I suspect you of the same thing. I keep wondering… do you ever repent for daily sins?
 

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You respond with truth. But you don't answer my question. I'm not asking about sin. I'm asking about God being just if He sends someone to hell whose sins He accepted payment for. That's all. Is it just of God to send someone to hell for sin that has been paid for and He accepted that payment? Please just a simple yes or no.
He wont send someone to hell for sin,he paid for sin, he will send them because they did not believe