Israel Declares War

I wouldn't be too hard on them.

Most probably were brought up in an Amil Church, as most mainstream denominations are amil.

Unless they truly hate the Jews like one or two here def do, they'll eventually come around, as it becomes more and more impossible to stay amil.

Christians should not pretend that God is pleased with murderous, lying Babylonian Talmudists,

Then why are so many US politicians duel citizens of Israel, and why are US ships and troops enroute to support the Israeli government commit war crimes and genocide? The US is controlled by Babylonian Talmudists.

Lots of evidence indeed, Jerusalem was the whore of Babylon.

Many nations are turning against Israel. If it was any other country at war, no one would show much interest. Turkey bombs the Kurds (yawn), Syria gasses its own people (big deal) and Russia has been attacking Ukrainian civilians continually (tsk tsk). Only Israel creates such a stir. For now, the world is divided for and against Israel. That will change as the world increasingly rejects God. Even Israel's supporters demand the impossible. Defeat Hamas without civilan casualties? I'm sure the IDF is all ears, waiting for advice as how this can be done. Two state solution? The Arab world rejected this in 1948. That was Plan 'A' according to the UN. There is still no plan B. The Arabs will accept only a one state solution. And that means the end of Israel. God will not permit this.

The US dollar is the "petro dollar", if we do not protect the Middle East then other countries will not have to buy US debt and the US dollar will collapse. We cannot adequately defend the Middle East without a strong base there, and that strong base is Israel. This is why Jerusalem has become a cup of trembling to the whole world, Russia and China want to replace the US as the protectorate, they can't do that as long as Israel stands.

Ukraine was not in the US national interest, but Israel and Taiwan are both critical to US national defense. If they fall we fall, and if we fall they fall.

I beg to differ. Do not take that to mean I think it's you.

But Israel and Jews are synonymous. That's the dirty little secret so many amils refuse to acknowledge.


No. I think they need to destroy Hamas, and frankly all their supporters as well.

But it sure seems that God is using this war to bring about EXACTLY what the Bible says. That every nation will be against Israel.
You can't see that truth?


You cannot have a ceasefire with a group of people that have not only vowed over and over again to annihilate your people, but have taken tangible steps to do just that.

So the only victory is to destroy them.

At what point would you admit you are wrong? If the state of Israel is dissolved, would you admit it then?

That you misinterpreted prophecy

Isn't that a kind of control, then? One of those offers you can't refuse?

I mean you would have thought that the Amil position would have been dead in the water after May 14th 1948, but instead they have doubled down.

The antichrist WILL for a time subdue and defeat Israel. That's pretty evident from Rev.


I don't believe in "private interpretations". That is far and away my biggest grievance with amils. Using scripture allegorically to support their position.

Not saying YOU have said this, but some examples I have absolutely heard would be:

The OT dudes didn't really live hundreds of yrs. Ages, and lifespans were calculated differently.

Then again at the End of the Bible. 1000 yrs doesn't really mean 1000 yrs, it just means a long time.

And tons of stuff in the middle like. Jonah, Samson, accounts in Daniel, even Noah were just allegories meant to teach us lessons.

Now I gave you SPECIFIC passages in Isaiah, Psalms, Hosea, and elsewhere that talk about the Jews being regathered, and eventually calling out to Christ. That's what the text says. Not sure where interpretation comes in at all.

Well, support it by say sending troops there as has happened since it's formation as a nation. Troops that fight and die... that kinda' support.

econdly, yeah as more time goes by, the closer we get to Christ's return... I get that. But the constant alarmist reaction of "the end is nigh!" reminds me of Fred Sanford faking his heart attacks... "I'm comin' Elizabeth!"

Can you provide the verse references that you are claiming to be the evidence?

That the state of Israel is somehow part of the fulfillment of this. Or is that not what you claim?

Fulfillment of what?

They are described as being “drunk with the blood of the saints" and they commit spiritual adultery.

The beast is the Roman Empire.
Truth is not slander.

You presume to think that Hamas is capable of trust and goodwill towards Israel?

Wouldn't that be contrary to their primary mandate? That of course is a rhetorical question.

Did you just fall off the turnip truck? That is another rhetorical question.

So you believe all of Revelation is fulfilled? Or only parts? Who are the two witnesses?

Extremely debatable. But whatever.

There are so many indicators that the time is short, I couldn't possibly list them all now. It's not just Israel.

Of bible prophecy?

I don't think God is at all pleased with Israel on many levels.

I fully recognize that the ONLY group of people Jesus was disgusted with and harshly admonished, was the religious leadership, comprised of Pharisees and Sadducees.

I also think there is a push by those same groups, calling themselves Hassidim or extreme Orthodox, to push satanic agendas like Global Noahide Laws.

But I just don't see how any of that changes God's promises and prophecies.

And if we are talking on a purely secular level, the Israeli Government is vastly better than anything the muslims offer.

Ultimately, both groups must acknowledge and accept Christ to be saved.