Does God Know From All Eternity Who Will Die Having Rejected Sound Doctrine?

I, personally, had never heard of "open theism." I still don't understand what it all entails. I am just a bible believer. If the bible says it, then I take it as truth. I try hard not to let man's opinions dictate the word of God.

That's right, if you do this, then you get this. But if you choose that, then that happens to you. Now choose...God knows all possible outcomes.

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I developed an understanding of God and the gospel through studying the Word and comparing my understanding with that of others and choosing the meaning of texts that I believed was mosr coherent. I ddi not know I was supposedly some kind of Open Theist or supposedly some variety of kenoticist, until a few zealous internet inquisitors condemned me as a heretic for believing in open theism and kenosis. But I'm juat following the received Hebrew and Greek texts and listening to what they seem to be saying. Others listen to "greater theological minds" and "longstanding traditions" to find out what the Word is supposed to teach.

succinctly, it is an attempt at "solving" double predestination by admitting the omniscience of God but carefully redefining "all-knowing" saying God knows all that can be known, but not all things can be known.

recognizing some of the failures of the Pelagian arguments for human-agency-dominated salvation, specifically that if God knows His sheep, then predestination looks like it outweighs free will, the open theist makes an end-run around the foreknowledge and of God by claiming God cannot possibly know what free will will choose - trying to head off any claim of predetermination so that human free-will can retain primacy.

He also made me, knows my ways and all my hearts desires.

Do y'all think He is pretty good at guessing?

i believe Jesus Christ is never not God.
that God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent.

it has nothing to do with my having read Plato (i barely have) or Calvin (i never have), probably more to do with my having studied math for 30 years, and simply believing the scripture with the highest view of God that i can.

The context is vv. 28-33.
28. And we know that all things work together for good for those who love God, to them who are called according to His purpose .
29. FOR whom He did foreknow He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born of many siblings.
So far, Paul is saying that God's purpose was a family of humans conformed to the image of the Son, and what God foresaw was this family that loves Him and that He called to be His family of Jesus-like children. It does say He foreknew the family. It does not say He foreknew the specific individuals in the family.

30. Moreover, whom He did predestinate, them He also called; and whom he called, them He also justified; and whom He also justified, them He also glorified.

Should we view this text through a modern individualistic worldview, or a first century communalistic mindset? Leaving Egypt, a community of freed slaves was predestined since the promise to Abraham to dwell in Canaan. A community was issued a call to serve only YHWH together. A community was justified before the nations as claiming to be God's people through themselves and God both keeping to the covenant making them so. A community was glorified (made of repute) among the nations. So too with the new covenant. A community was predestined to Christlikeness until we all together attain the maturity of the fullness of stature of Christ; a community has been called out of the world to be that family. A community has been justified as being God's family by their expression together of the Father's nature as His children. And a community has been glorified and continues to be changed from glory to glory as we behold the face of Christ.

31. What shall we say then?I fGod is for this community, who can be against us? (Not, if God be for ME, who can be against ME?)

32. He that spared not His own son, but delivered Him up for is all, how shall he not with Him freely give us all things (not ME all things)?

Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect ones? It is God that justifies.

I do not see Paul here saying that specific individuals were predestined from before the world began to become children of God. But that since God's promise to Eve a redeemed community has been predestined to come into being.

Incorrect. He can know immediately before you act what you will do, becasue He sees your neurons firing and your hormones being released and understands what those mean. Hence he knows what we will say immediately before we say it. But the further away in time the action of a freewill being is from the present, the less certain that decision and action are because there is a much more complex net of free will decisions of multiple freewill beings leading up to that future event.
However, if God predicts a future event, that He wants to happen, He is able to ensure it happens by employing His omnipotence to do so.

He can know immediately before you act what you will do, becasue He sees your neurons firing and your hormones being released and understands what those mean. Hence he knows what we will say immediately before we say it. But the further away in time the action of a freewill being is from the present, the less certain that decision and action are because there is a much more complex net of free will decisions of multiple freewill beings leading up to that future event.

You describe God as no different than any human with an MRI machine and a little bit of education in psychology and neurology.

If this is the case how fancy does my technology and my psychoanalysis need to get before i know more than God knows?

will God get better at guessing as i get better, or is He stuck in a rut?

I am not sure I am following what you are saying here.

Psalms 147:5.....his understanding is infinite.
his understanding/tabuwn is infinite/micpar.

mishpat means judgement. So it reads like your saying Psalms 147:5 says, his understanding is judgement? So I am not sure I am following.

I too have this same line of thought when considering this debate. I've asked them "Are you really arguing Gods ignorance?", because to me that seems to be the argument. Why would you even want to follow a God who just "didn't know"?

Isaiah tells us in 46:8-13

8 “Remember this and stand firm,
recall it to mind, you transgressors,
9 remember the former things of old;
for I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me,
10 declaring the end from the beginning
and from ancient times things not yet done,
saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
and I will accomplish all my purpose,’
11 calling a bird of prey from the east,
the man of my counsel from a far country.
I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass;
I have purposed, and I will do it.

12 “Listen to me, you stubborn of heart,
you who are far from righteousness:
13 I bring near my righteousness; it is not far off,
and my salvation will not delay;
I will put salvation in Zion,
for Israel my glory.”

He is saying He "declares" the END from the beginning. Not He waits to see it. He tells us in plain language over and over again that it's all going down EXACTLY the way He "declared" it would, and for me to buy for one second that God has "blind spots" or "doesn't know" anything is incompatible with the God who gave me new life. I honestly can only think of one reason anyone would even want this to be the case. They have to keep their "choice/freewill" right above God's sovereignty. I am not accusing anyone of being/thinking/believing this, I just mean that from the perspective of me giving it thought myself. I honestly doubt anyone thinks of it like this who makes this case to be clear. I always try to add that I can follow the logic behind this line of reason, but I just no longer agree with it. The idea that we EVER have a "free will" isn't true in my mind anymore. Our will is ALWAYS enslaved to our natures. We are a slave to sin, or a slave to Him.
I of course believe we have a will and that we make choices, I am not trying to pretend that isn't made VERY clear in His word that we are to choose righteously, and now strive to obey God in every way. We are told that as well, but you have to ignore a ton of scripture that very specifically and plainly tells us we are "called", "Chosen", "Predestin", "elected", "drawn to Him", "gifted repentance", and a bunch more along those lines, and it tells us these things in very precise and plain language. How does God's sovereign will work with every persons will to bring about His plan? I don't know, but I do know trying to pretend I have some kind of power over even God with my choice is a delusion, and arguing God's ignorance honestly makes NO sense to me at all either.

It's a figure of speech. God is using human language to express the depth and scope of His forgiveness. What does it mean to be eternal?

It's a figure of speech. God is using human language to express the depth and scope of His forgiveness. What does it mean to be eternal?

You describe God as no different than any human with an MRI machine and a little bit of education in psychology and neurology.

If this is the case how fancy does my technology and my psychoanalysis need to get before i know more than God knows?

will God get better at guessing as i get better, or is He stuck in a rut? do i have a shot? because you're describing nothing more than what's reachable for mankind. as though, we can be like the most high?

I think that God puts forth an offer to someone that He knows will reject it at least expresses a sentiment that He regards that one as 'worth the effort.'

I don't know if anything is an "effort" to the omnipotent God.

it's at the extremes of ideas that they are tested. when they are extrapolated to absurdity that they can be measured, verified or shown to be inadequate.

of course i don't seriously suggest worshipping time; we are just talking and post is engaging in analysis

Agreed. He does not literally have no memory of something that truly happened in the past, but he no longer deals with it as if I am still blqmeworthy for it, since our Lord bore it as His own sin during His crucifixion. But there is something God is truly doing and experiencing which equates in some definable way to forgetting our sins.

However, to preserve the platonist theory of the causeless causes impassibility by claiming that "God is grieved" and "God regretted" are metaphors for something that is not a feeling, without being able to explain what God was actually doing and experiencing when grieving and regretting, does not adequately explain God's use of the words. Is He merely saying, "If I did that to you, you would be grieved. However, I don't have any feelings, but I will speak as though I do, so you will understand that I cannot have have any contact with sin." . And "If that was the way you were treated, you would regret it having helped Israel, However, I don't have any feelings of regret at people's betrayal of Me, but I will talk as though I do, so you will feel bad about betraying Me and that might dissuade you from doing sin?"

Is God saying," If you forgave someone, you would have no recollection of the offense, so I will talk as though I forgive and forget, even though I don't change from being offended with you to being reconciled to you." Or does he actually experience offense and reconciliation with the putting away of an recriminations toward those who turn to Him?