Israel Declares War

What we are seeing in Israel and Gaza is a preview of the coming tribulation.

ThereRoseaLamb said:

You and I are grafted in. We do not replace the Jews.

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Why do you keep repeating this as though I claim we have replaced the Jews? Romans describes who the true Jews are - i.e. spiritual descendants, rather than physical descendants of Abraham.

Romans 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

ThereRoseaLamb said:

Why would you pray for peace of a spiritual place? No, it is a real place. And you can doubt if you wish, but that is exactly who is being talked about. Time after time God calls the Jews to repentance, He has never stopped calling nor loving them. The Jews have been blinded for a time. You see what you want to see because of your bias. God promised the land to the Jews and He will keep that promise or God is a liar and you and I haven't a hope of heaven.

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"For God so loved the world..." You keep implying that God loves only these who call themselves Jews, when its clear from scripture He loves all of mankind, including the Palestinians. And I don't put words in God's mouth. It is you who are misinterpreting his promises and then stating that if He doesn't keep them according to your interpretation, He will be a liar. Not so. Unless you repent, God may well prove that it is you who blasphemed Him, stating He said what He didn't say, and that He meant what He didn't mean. Rather, you should say "If not, then it is I who have misinterpreted God, not that God is a liar, because God can never be a liar, and it is blasphemous to state so."

ThereRoseaLamb said:

I don't see anything that indicates that. We are talking about a place that God loves, Israel, and a people He loves and called out. Like the prodigal son, they will come home. Right now they are the wayward child.

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Much like the Palestinians? Wayward children who need Jesus, yet you are mindlessly supporting one side of the conflict against the other?

ThereRoseaLamb said:

s talking to Israel, to the Jew first, then the Gentiles. You, we, are grafted in. The promise to them hasn't changed. There is coming a day when God will defeat any who come against Israel. The land is a promise. God said He would gather them and they will never be uprooted again.

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As above. We are Israel, and we are the true Jews. Even you admit we have been grafted in through Christ. The promise applies to those who believe, not those who remain in unbelief.

ThereRoseaLamb said:

Those "unbelieving, blaspheming liars" are the remnant you are talking about. The ones Romans 11 says are blinded for a time, but will be restored. I believe what the Word says, I don't put the cart ahead of the horse. I know what the Word says. I hope one day you will too.

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Can you prove it? Because most of those you are talking about trace their origins to Europe rather than Israel, even if the promises were for Abraham's physical offspring.

History repeats.

@ Mo Red X, seriously?! Do you need to defend He is Here? lol Are his peeps gonna take me out? rofl

@ Mo and He Is Here, these are known facts being stated here. They aren't opinions. What are you disagreeing about?!

It's emotional because he's believing propaganda. Straight facts have been given to him and Mo and they refuse to believe anything that would support a Jewish POV. They both just red xed Post for stated facts. It's becoming ridiculous and childish.

The wounded head that devotes its kampf to Israel's extinction.

See this is what I mean @ Cameron. This has not been debunked, yet they have made up their minds it's false. These people butchered children in their beds, they killed family members and made them watch, they raped women and dragged them through the streets, they tortured and took babies and women hostage. Hamas took videos and SENT it to family and friends on social media!!! This is the worst attack on the Jews since the Holocaust. Jewish students IN THIS COUNTRY were chased and had to HIDE on campus. They are being attacked here! I watched video of the children that are hostages RIGHT NOW and wept. And He is Here mocks this! Believes the Jews brought this on themselves apparently. We saw down through history the Holocaust and said "never again" We said we would have stopped it, we'd have said something, we would have defended the Jews. And yet here in this very forum we have people mocking and denying the horrific attacks on civilians in Israel. All I hear is "wa what about, what about"? It's making excuses for terrorist butchers. I don't find it funny and I don't think a good person does those things. Even more so, someone claiming to be a Christian. Now watch He Is Heres peeps come running to make their x and defend this nonsense.

Parody is best when it’s really true.

Brilliantly done here to show how insane it is to suppress the Muslims.

Yes, we are grafted in. But that doesn't change that fact that God made promises to the Jews that have nothing to do with us! They are still called, still chosen. And God will finish His work and keep His promises!




Never said God doesn't love everyone. What I did say is that the land belongs to the Jews, and God will keep His promises.

Mo, somewhere there has to be facts. Somewhere you're going to have to admit that. God made an unconditional and everlasting promise about the land of Israel. It's not spiritual because actually borders were named. It's a real land with a real promise. Go read it again. I'm not adding to Scripture. I shouldn't have to tell you this. You should read it for yourself and know it. I gave you the verses. It's clear as can be, I can't help that you don't want to see it.


Mo, I know what the Word says, I am 100% sure of what I am saying. God keeps His promise.


No, I am supporting facts. Yes, the Arabs need to be saved. They are in a diabolical religion that is very hard to turn loose of. I have heard from the mission filed that some are having visions of Jesus and are daring to become Christians. And that is a wonderful thing. But that does not change the facts of history and what is right and wrong.


And there you go again!! The church doesn't replace the Jews!! And they won't remain in unbelief, that is what Romans 9,10,11 are all about!! You're acting like the prodigal son who was angry when the wayward son came back home!

It's odd to me how some people want to deny who are Jews. It's a pity Hitler didn't make that distinction huh? He sure didn't have a hard time finding Jews.

i know for sure that @Moses_Young uses the disagree response on facts he doesn't like, not necessarily on things he is able to say are incorrect.

i suspect the same for @HeIsHere

The Israelis? Yeah that's happening everywhere.

They do shade the facts some, but it's more than that. It's ok for Christians to have different convictions.

(Ezek 36:17 KJV) Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their ..own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.
(Ezek 36:18 KJV) Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it.
(Ezek 36:22 KJV) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
(Ezek 36:31 KJV) Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
(Ezek 36:32 KJV) Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, Ohouse of Israel.
(Ezek 36:24 KJV) states that they will be gather and once gathered He will judge them one last time. That day of judgement is NOW.
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Absolutely false. Furthermore when Paul speaks about Jews and Israelites in Romans he speaking about the Sons of Jacob. And when he speaks of anyone else Paul uses the term gentiles. Unfailingly........in all of his writings.

THREE TIMES Paul makes the same declaration (Rom 1:16, Rom 2:9, Rom 2:10):
"Jew first and also of the gentile"

This is meant to reinforce the clear distinction BETWEEN the two groups.

This obviously intentional precedent is followed throughout scripture by Jesus (Matt 15:26 etc) and the apostles preaching campaign.

Oh and by the way when Paul speaks about the "Israel of God" in Gal 6:16, Paul yet again makes a distinction between the two groups. The "Israel of God" are all believing sons of Jacob.....Jewish converts who believe that Jesus is their Messiah.

We both know that I already have resoundingly refuted those temporary judgments.
Future redemption an glorification of Israel is inevitable. In fact that is the very purpose of the time of Jacob's trouble.

Question:
Are they actually teaching the doctrine of replacement theology (or that Israel has been permanently kicked to the curb) in this Church that you attend?

If so I would beat a hasty retreat

May 14, 1948. And all Jews were not regathered at that point in time. Obviously.
Since 1948 the Dry Bones Ezekiel 37 prophecy is being fulfilled......methodically incrementally.

And ultimately, the prophetic regathering occurs AFTER the SC......after the national repentance of the nation.

12 Glancing this way and that and seeing no one, he [MOSES] killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand.
MOSES was a murderer
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