Ball Earth conundrums

Does anyone want to go on record and state, the believe the earth flies at 67,000 mph, and spins 1,000 mph?!?!

No one needs to "disprove" what you have said - it is not significant enough to stand as 'proof' one way or another - there are too many factors to consider (today).

We have transmitted broadcasts between the U.S. and Europe (and other places) - back when 'tower' radio was all there was in existence. Look it up.

Sorry Gary. I got distracted by the troll. How about marine radar (taken from another thread)?

It sounds like a typical, off-the-shelf military radar has a range of about 25 nautical miles (although some have much further range). I believe 25 nautical miles translates to 46.3 km.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-range-of-an-average-marine-radar-on-US-Navy-ships?share=1

We all know that radars only travel in straight lines. Presuming the radar is mounted 10 m above the water (I think this is conservative, as lots of boats would be shorter), and the boat it is detecting is 10 m above the water, the maximum distance the radar could detect another boat on a ball-Earth is 24.79 km.

To confirm, just enter the heights of the observer and object in the calculation page attached.

https://rechneronline.de/sehwinkel/distance-horizon.php

So, ball-Earth theory predicts a maximum radar range for the most powerful radar of 24.79 km, due to the curvature of Earth, but a standard radar (probably mounted much lower) can detect up to 46.3 km. Note also that more powerful radar can purportedly achieve much greater range.

How does this work on ball-Earth? Either radar travels in curves the same way ball-Earth curves (neither measured nor observed), or ball-Earth theory is false.

I disagree.

Have you bothered to lift a finger to look into what is presented in post #404 - to see if there is something you could learn from it?

And, if you believe you see an error - by all means, point it out... (specific fact-based observation, not generalized mud-slinging, etc.)

Your lack of knowledge here is hilarious,

RF is not a laser and can travel farther than the visual horizon due to refraction,

and by the way radar is not always line of sight, lookup over the horizon radar and the Russian woodpecker.

I find it ironic that those who lack knowledge accuse those with more knowledge of lacking knowledge, but I guess this is something you won't be able to understand.

This is more theory than fact. A far simpler explanation, given that there is no evidence of curvature, is that RF can travel further than the visual horizon because the horizon is flat.

If radar is not always line of sight, how on Earth can it be used as proof of a ball-Earth?

*sigh* Do you think sailors have never used a telescope? How far the actual horizon is away depends on the height of the observer. I've already suggested an experiment that anyone can do to show the curvature of the earth. I've already said how surveying lasers prove the curvature of the earth. No FE person has bothered to look into that that I am aware of. I'm still waiting for someone to get out their telescope and see a country a few hundred miles away. You should be able to see Cuba from the Florida coast. No doubt you have a reason not to try it.

I find it ironic that those who lack knowledge accuse those with more knowledge of lacking knowledge, but I guess this is something you won't be able to understand.

This is more theory than fact. A far simpler explanation, given that there is no evidence of curvature, is that RF can travel further than the visual horizon because the horizon is flat.

If radar is not always line of sight, how on Earth can it be used as proof of a ball-Earth?

One can believe that the Earth is spherical while not necessarily holding to certain views of its movement in relation to the rest of the galaxy. You're only confusing the issues by assuming that everyone who believes anything that you reject must believe everything that you reject.

You're only confusing the issues by assuming that everyone who believes anything that you reject must believe everything that you reject.

I've taken tests you haven't the reason over the horizon radar works is because it doesn't use vhf it typically uses hf. Hf radio can do a thousand or so miles by skipping off the upper f2 layer, hf/uhf can't. whats your explanation, you don't have one because you know nothing about the subject. Your making stuff up. I can talk to people several states over with 5 watts at 28.5 mhz, whereas at 146.52 with five times the power and an antenna with 3db of gain more than the other I can reach maybe 30 miles. Explain that with actual science, I could use another laugh. hint it has to do with maximum and minimum usable frequency and the f2 layer. Then also explain why the skip zone in between receives nothing.

Radar is line of sight at higher frequencies. At lower frequencies, it has a ground wave. Australia has developed a radar that can detect objects up to 1900 miles away. It does this by bouncing signals off the ionosphere. The reason that it can't just monitor contacts directly is that it has to account for the curvature of the earth. It took decades to develop and nearly a billion dollars to build. If there was any other technique that was practicable, that for sure would have been used instead.

Youtuber Hypohysterical History has an in depth video on this amazing system. Of course, it debunks FE so you won't look it up.

Gary is not the one confusing the issues. He is quite clear and explicit. If anyone is confusing the issues, you are.

You know some Flat Earthers (myself included), believe there is a firmament, right?

You know some Flat Earthers (myself included), believe there is a firmament, right?

Radar is line of sight at higher frequencies. At lower frequencies, it has a ground wave. Australia has developed a radar that can detect objects up to 1900 miles away. It does this by bouncing signals off the ionosphere. The reason that it can't just monitor contacts directly is that it has to account for the curvature of the earth. It took decades to develop and nearly a billion dollars to build. If there was any other technique that was practicable, that for sure would have been used instead.

Youtuber Hypohysterical History has an in depth video on this amazing system. Of course, it debunks FE so you won't look it up.

whith hf radio you have a skip zone which is the between the radio horizon caused by the curvature of the earth and the point where the reflected signal off the ionosphere comes down,this area is will not receive any signal. this is a readily observable phenomenon and will vary a with takeoff angle of the transmission and the specific frequency range being employed.

Does anyone want to go on record and state, the believe the earth flies at 67,000 mph, and spins 1,000 mph?!?!

Some common ball-Earth conundrums, and answers to them. To me, it's easy to see who is lying.

Why does the Earth seem motionless?
Flat Earther: Because it is motionless.
Heliocentrist: It only seems motionless because it's spinning at a perfectly uniform speed with no acceleration or deceleration ever and the atmosphere is magically velcroed to it. Actually the Earth is spinning on it's axis at 1,000 mph, rotating around the Sun at 67,000 mph, which is orbiting the Milky Way at 500,000 mph and shooting through the known Universe at 67,000,000 mph. We don't feel even the slightest bit of this motion because all the centrifugal, gravitational, and inertial forces somehow perfectly cancel out.

Why do the Sun and Moon appear to be the same size?
Flat Earther: Because they are the same size.
Heliocentrist: They only appear to be the same size because of an incredibly perfect parallax perspective from Earth. Actually the Sun is 1.392x10^6 km in diameter and 1.496x10^8 km from Earth. The Moon is 3,474 km in diameter and 384,403 km from the Earth. And these just happen to be the EXACT diameters and distances necessary for a viewer from Earth to falsely perceive them as being the same size.

Why do the Sun, Moon, and Stars all appear to revolve around a stationary Earth?
Flat Earther: Because they do.
Heliocentrist: The Moon does revolve around the Earth, but the Earth actually revolves around the Sun, and all the stars only seem to revolve around the Earth because the Earth itself is spinning beneath your feet!

Why do we never see the rotation of the Moon?
Flat Earther: Because it doesn't rotate.
Globalist: Both the Moon and the Earth are actually rotating but they are doing so in such a way that from our perspective it seems that neither are. The Earth is spinning East to West at 1,000 mph while orbiting the Sun at 67,000 mph. The Moon is spinning West to East at 10.3 mph while orbiting the Earth at 2,288 mph. These motions/speeds perfectly cancel out so that the Moon always only shows us one side.

Why do the stars appear to be fixed along a celestial hemisphere?
Flat Earther: Because they are.
Heliocentrist: The stars only appear to be fixed along a celestial hemisphere because they are so incredibly far away. Even after hundreds of millions of miles of our (supposed) orbit around the Sun, the stars appear in the exact same positions at the exact same meridian times because they are many "light-years" away. A light-year is approximately 6 TRILLION miles away and that is why they falsely seem fixed from our faulty perspective.