God's ONE Baptism For His Body!

yeah amen i think brother over time looking back seven decades my own experience has been a lifetime of slow revelation a true walk through the world with Jesus

Im old now , but my mind still works well. I can remember what I believed about the Bible at age 20 and then I can remember what I believed at 30 and then 40 ect what was mean to say is what I knew at 20 doesn’t sound the same as what it knew at 30 and then 40 then 50

as I persevered through life keeping just basic belief and faith in Christ himself I failed a thousand times but I’ve never at any point not believed in Jesus

about at 20 I didn’t know what baptism meant , what it was done for , why Jesus did it , why his disciples did it before and after the cross

at 30 I noticed the Bible keeps saying “ baptism for repentance and remission of sins “ repetitively then at 40 I became pretty sure baptism is never exolained by other way I’ve ever found in scriptire other than what’s established clearly “baptism for repentance and remission of sins “

but every subject has been this way I didn’t use to think what I think now but I’ve always been a believer even when I didn’t know much about what’s written in the Bible

aim not sure that makes sense but we are all who believe at dofferent points of the understanding and revelation part . At 20 even though I was quite ignorant of what scriptire said in depth I still belonged tonjesus the same as now even before I grasped some things better as time passed

there are infants in Christ they haven’t heard what baptism is actually about and for according to scripture not someone’s wild Interpretstions with no founding but the basic truths plainly set before us inviting us to believe not to completely understand but to believe what we hear

at 20 I would argue this with people

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because that’s all I really understood at the time it was enough and when I discussed with older chrortoans they would explain to me about deeper things repentance ect baptism ……of bc rise I didn’t understand so I’d wuote a verse like this

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it wasnt that I believed wrong or dofferent but I simply hadn’t heard those other things yet in order to believe them I think we’re all at different stages of this we all who believe belong to God

and in time we’re going to grow and change as we hear and learn from the lord . A forum like this should be a real benefit to growing together rather than standing apart but too many believe they thenealeves have the answers if we could look to the gospel we’d find the same answers

before the cross

“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

after the cross when the apostles received the Holy Ghost peters very first sermon

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭

Baptism is something you choose when you believe this

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s how sin is remitted you believe Jesus died for my sins as the scripture says

and then you get baptized in his name who died for your sins because you believe he died for my sins and commanded baptism for remission of those sins

Its a simple act of faith based on what God said when you are buried beneath the water in his name it is this

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: ( he died formoir sins ) that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, ( we are buried with him in baptism into death this remits sin dead people have paid for thier sins ) we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you need a second witness

“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it also comes again as a new north as you are raised up from the water in his name it makes you a child of Abraham born again into the inheritance of Abraham’s seed the holy spirit

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

baptism is really well explained in scripture it is done because we believe the gospel and inownjesus does for our sins our response to that is meant to be getting baptized for remission of sins in his name taking what he did upon ourselves agreeing in an action by faith believing what we heard in the gospel

Baptism is not "law". Where did you get that idea?

This passage is not about "de-emphasizing" baptism.

I was hoping you would explain the reason you emphasize verse 17 based on the context. IF Paul was NOT sent to baptize, why would he ever baptize? It's clear from the context he did baptize people.

I agree we should be growing together. I wish there was only one Christian church in each town. Not all in the same building of course but all one in agreement.

I strongly believe, based on what the bible tells us, that baptism is how we are added to Christ. As you said, baptism is for the remission of sins. I believe Satan has confused many as we can clearly see so I do my best to get people back to what scripture says. I don't know anything other than what scripture tells me.

Precious friend, with your Excellent statement in mind, let us take a
journey through the Scriptures, and ask several more questions, so we
can get a better handle of your understanding of them:

1) You understand this as "the preaching The Gospel Of Grace", Correct?
2) a) You understand this "as For Today," as well as "At John's time", Correct?




3) You understand this as, In water, "the baptism of repentance For the
Thanks for your time/answers, on this Scriptural journey, to be continued...

I would love to talk about this and hope we get to it soon but we are currently discussing why is it Paul was NOT sent to baptize yet DID baptize. This is one of your pillar verses so I know you have an explanation for it. I suggest you have pulled a verse out of context because you like what that one verse says and are using it to support a falsehood.

Here's the essence of a post of mine from a different thread that addresses the common misunderstanding of Paul not being sent to baptize as taken from 1 Cor 1:17.

Paul did baptize some, but his primary effort was to preach the word . Apollos apparently did most of the physical baptizing, when you read the below scripture a couple chapters later.

Read a bit further in 1 Cor to chapter 3 to understand Paul's statement from 1 Cor 1:17. Paul was the great orator, preacher, and convincer. Paul preached, Apollos baptized, and God gave the increase.

1 Cor 3:6

"I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase"

False, see Acts 1 and 2, The body of Christ or church started with the Resurrected Jesus the Son of GOD and the faithful 12, not with Paul. Peter and James the brother of Christ were the at head of the church.

Blessings

Yes. Paul had to preach the gospel but he did not have to do the baptizing. Here is proof of that.
Acts 18:8 Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed in the Lord, together with his entire household. And many of the Corinthians hearing Paul believed and were baptized.
We know from 1 Cor. 1 Paul baptized only a few of the many.

So, are you now suggesting that the "no water for today" doctrine was built
on one 'lone' verse, taken out of context?:

1 Corinthians 1:17

Two possibilities, first the Short answer?:

No, precious friend, we do not deny that "Paul baptized Very Few"
in the beginning of his ministry. However we do see, In All Scripture,
that after Christ Completely ' Revealed his Heavenly Commission' to
him, "Paul Was Not Sent to water baptize" ( "Commission of reconciliation"
............................................................................................... 2 Corinthians 5:18-21) ].
[ Great commission 'still' In Force? or: . . . our ↑Greater Commission? ↑ ] *
[ in ↑ which ↑ "the twelve ↑ Were Sent to water baptize, Correct? ]

So, did "he baptize the few" so that modern-day critics can change the
above plain verse, making [ a then-Divisive, and continuing today-Divisive ]
water baptism a "command for today" = their suggestion, to this?:

Do you, precious friend, agree with this { WAS sent secondarily to baptize}
suggestion?

If so, it seems to me then, that you can't have it both [ traditional ] ways?:

Church of christ uses [ secondarily? ] to "water baptize For
the remission of sins"?


baptist tradition uses [ but 'sent' secondarily/symbolically ] "outward
expression of inward faith"?

Men's Confusion / Changing God's Words around "to fit tradition",
Certainly "does Not make up our minds" eh?

or:

Do you believe God's Commands Not "to Add" to His Word
( Rule # 3 ' makes up our minds' )?

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Since there are Two Different Gospels Containing These Two Different
Commissions, this completed list [ hopefully by Rule 1 ] is now available,
precious friend, for your prayerful/Careful review:

"Is there more than one gospel?":

Long answer? still in progress, to be forthcoming...

Sorry, I didn't say based on 1 verse. I said v.1:17 was a pillar verse. I actually see it based on 2 single verses pulled out of context.
From your reply I have 2 questions.
When Jesus SENT the 12 out He told them to baptize the believers. IF Paul was NOT sent to baptize with a different gospel, WHY would he ever baptize anyone, just like the 12, causing confusion?
You said Paul baptized in the beginning of his ministry. At what point in Paul's ministry did he stop baptizing?

Thanks, appreciate the challenging questions in order to further
clarify This Important Eternal Matter:

1) God's Revelation Of The Mystery To Paul was Not All Revealed
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So, of course, if Christ Told him "at the beginning of His ministry" he was
"Not sent to baptize," then he was disobedient "baptizing the few," Correct?

Did not God have A ' Transition' Period From Law To Grace, for Paul
to "receive all these abundance of visions and revelations" From Christ?

So, of course, water baptism was continued for a time, Until:
2) All of God's Words To The Body Of Christ about His ONE Baptism

b) about 3 years prior to the ONE Baptism Revelation, From Christ,

Could this indicate that Paul was teaching the divisive carnal babes that
This Spiritual Baptism was "the answer For being united," and obeying this?


Seems like it to me, especially when the 'pillar' of The ONE Baptism
was Revealed Later, and The ONE Baptism Context Includes
This pillar, Correct?:

Thus, I see, left In God's Context Of "The Revelation Of The Mystery"
[ and Not read into ' prophecy ' ], the above pillars together with
these pillars:

Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27; Romans 6:3-4, as the ones ' For ' God's:

Amen.
No problem - thanks for the clarification. Please advise all precious readers
Exactly 'which pillar' verses that you see as "For water baptism" to be practiced
Today, Under Grace...
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Precious friend, thanks again for all your prayerful/Careful consideration,
and, for your kind and civil discussion.

Amen.

The Gospel books, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were transitional book. From Law to Grace. From John the Baptist to Jesus Christ and the 12

I’m sorry but may I suggest there are some problems with your logic.

1) Where did Paul get water baptism from. He didn’t believe the church that was practicing water baptism. He was persecuting it. When Jesus sends him out, He says the gospel he preached he did not get from man nor was he taught it but received it from Jesus. So where did he get water baptism and why did he practice it?

2) Paul always stood for the truth of the gospel. IF water baptism is not the truth of the gospel, then why did Paul practice it instead of defend against it like he did circumcision? We know circumcision is NOT part of the gospel and we see Paul stand against it because of the truth of the gospel. 5 to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you. There were some who were confusing others that circumcision is required. God sent Paul by revelation to the apostles and elders to clarify this matter. We see NO confusion on water baptism.

3) For arguments sake let's say Paul didn’t get the word that water baptism was NOT part of the gospel in his early ministry. When do you think he got that word? The first conversion recorded of Paul's is on his 2nd missionary journey in Acts 16. He baptizes Lydia first then the Philippian jailer. So I guess by the end of his 2nd journey there is still no word on ending baptism because we see him baptize those in Corinth. About a year or so later he starts his 3rd missionary journey. I guess still no word because we see him baptize those in Ephesus. This is the LAST recorded conversion God has given us and it happens to be Paul water baptizing. He NEVER stopped the practice of baptizing believers.

We do not have Paul teaching against water baptism anywhere like he does with circumcision. There is no council about water baptism to clear up any confusion because there is no confusion. We don’t have Paul standing against water baptizing anyone. Near the end of his ministry, 20 years after his conversion and about 3 years before his arrest, we have the LAST recorded conversion and Paul water baptized the believers just like Jesus instructed the 12. It’s clear he got the same instructions as the 12 on water baptizing the believer.

The problem is that he continues to persist in his Hyper-Dispensational nonsense regardless of what is in Scripture.

Yep. I just can't believe that there are those who believe two single verses taken out of context, 1 Cor. 1:17 and 1 Cor. 12:13, prove a doctrine of no water baptism. They misunderstand each verse because they ignore the context and evidence that disproves what they want each verse to mean.
Hopefully we can help them to see before it's to late. As he rightly says, not understanding the truth has eternal consequences.

May I suggest you misunderstand this verse. In doing so you see spiritual baptism when it is not spiritual baptism. There is no such thing as spiritual baptism. Could you please provide scriptural proof of spiritual baptism?

Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27; Romans 6:3-4 and Eph. 4:5 are not proof of spiritual baptism. There is no definitive proof in those verses that he is NOT speaking of water baptism. We know that Paul baptized believers and he was in Galatia right before baptizing Lydia. Paul didn't make it to Rome so it's safe to say they were baptized by whoever converted them. We see the Ephesians being water baptized by Paul. It's unknown who founded Colossae but it's safe to say they were baptized into Christ just like all those examples we have. There is substantial proof for water baptism at conversion. I know of zero proof for spiritual baptism but I'm willing to investigate.

This is what Paul means in 1 Cor. 12:13. I'll paraphrase, when you were water baptized the Holy Spirit added you to the body. We can see that in this verse, Acts 2:41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls. These people were water baptized and who added them? Not the apostles but the Holy Spirit.

No. The One Baptism is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

May I suggest doing a bible search for "baptism of the Holy Spirit" . You won't find it. The one baptism is water baptism.