Sunday Worship?

Praise God He is being worshipped and praised be it Sunday or Saturday.

The Psalms express an extremely positive view of the Torah, such as with David repeatedly saying that he loved it and delighted in obeying it, so if we consider the Psalms to be Scripture and to therefore express a correct view of God's law, then we will share it as Paul did (Romans 7:22). For example, in Psalms 1:1-2, blessed are those who delight in the Torah of the Lord and who meditate on it day and night, so we can't believe in the truth of these verses while not allowing them to shape our view of being under the Torah. Likewise, do the following verses describe a law that you would want to voluntarily be under or do you question why anyone would want to be under the law that is accurately described in these verses?:

Psalms 19:7-11
The law of the Lord is perfect,
reviving the soul;
the testimony of the Lord is sure,
making wise the simple;
8 the precepts of the Lord are right,
rejoicing the heart;
the commandment of the Lord is pure,
enlightening the eyes;
9 the fear of the Lord is clean,
enduring forever;
the rules of the Lord are true,
and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold,
even much fine gold;
sweeter also than honey
and drippings of the honeycomb.
11 Moreover, by them is your servant warned;
in keeping them there is great reward.

Moreover, in Hebrews 8:6-9, the fault that God found with the Mosaic Covenant was not with the terms of the covenant, but rather God found fault with the people for not continuing in it, so the solution to the problem was not for God to do away with the Torah, but to do away with what was hindering us from obeying it. This is why the New Covenant involves God taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, and sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Torah, sending His Son to free us from sin so that we might be free to obey the Torah and meet its righteous requirement (Romans 8:3-4), and putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts so that we will obey it (Jeremiah 31:33), so I have been speaking about how we should live under the New Covenant, not saying that we should live under the Mosaic Covenant.

indeed, the Torah was never given as a way of earning our righteousness as a wage even through perfect obedience (Romans 4:1-5), so that was never the reason why we should obey it, which is where are many verses that speak against that fundamental misunderstanding of the goal of the Torah.

In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Torah, and he chose the way of faithfulness by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith, so that is the way to receive grace in accordance with receiving the Spirit. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Torah.

Indeed, we should worship and praise God on every day in addition to obeying His command to keep the Sabbath holy.

We meet every Sunday to study, learn, and fellowship.
We try to worship God every day with our life.

You are correct that the law is awesome. But not so right about the rest. The covenant didn't fail simply because people didn't keep the law, but because fallen flesh cannot keep the law. So, while God's solution includes a means by which we can live without sinning, it never gets rid of our propensity to sin this side of glory. We cannot, no matter how great our endeavor, stop sinning unless we walk in the Spirit. Then, it is not us, but Christ living in us. And this is why the covenant is in His blood. We have 2 needs. We need our sins atoned for. This was accomplished on cross. But we also owe God the obedience we should have exercised in lieu of sinning. This is why we need His imputed righteousness.
The new covenant does provide an avenue for us not to sin. But it isn't something we do, it's something Christ does through us.

If we can't keep God's law, then we would not be at fault for failing to keep it, but rather the fault would be with God for giving a law that we can't keep. However, Hebrews 8:6-9, it doesn't say that God found fault with Himself or with His law or that the covenant failed because we can't keep the law, but rather it says that God found fault with the people for not continuing in His covenant. In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that the Mosaic Law is not too difficult for us to keep and that obedience brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as possibility and as a choice, not as something that we can't keep. Moreover, there are examples of people who kept God's law in verses like Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14. Christ is God's word, so us embodying God's word through following his example of obedience to God's law has always been about Christ living in us. Jesus expressed his righteousness through His obedience to the Mosaic Law, so that is the way that we get to live when his righteousness is imputed to us.

God is sovereign. He's not obligated in any way to you, me, or anyone else. He has never caused anyone to sin. We choose to sin.
But in His grace, God still made provision for mankind. Instead of 613 laws to keep, He asked us to believe in His Son. To make things even better, He gave us His word to lead us to Christ. If that wasn't enough, He employs His word and Spirit to grant us hearing and faith, awakens us from our dead spiritual estates, and gives us eternal life. But wait...there's more. He places His Spirit within us and guides us into a deeper and more intimate relationship with Himself.
That's the God plan. Why would you want to mess that up by engaging with God on the basis of your performance rather than His?

Before the giving of the commandments the Israelites said, "whatever God says, we will do..." and then failed to do what He said even as it was being written, given that Moses came down from the mountain and found them worshiping a golden calf which compelled him to smash the tablets (how long did he work on chiseling out those tablets?). Can you imagine how differently might it have all turned out if the people would've instead had the attitude, "whatever God says, we will believe..."?

That's easy to imagine because there would be no difference whatsoever. By doing good works in obedience to God, we are testifying that God is good, which is why our good works bring glory to God (Matthew 5:16), and by testifying that God is good we are also expressing the belief that God is good, or in other words, we are believing in Him. This is why there are many verses that connect our faith/belief in God with our obedience to Him, such as Revelation 14:12, where those who kept God's commandments are the same as those who kept faith in Jesus.

How good are you?
God is good apart from the quality of our works. If His goodness depended on you doing good, He'd be only as good as you, which isn't very good. In fact, I'd venture to even say not good at all.

Christ started a new religion, with a new covenant at his death. Christians are not subject to the old covenant or it's laws. We have the law of Christ mentioned in the NT.




It is not correct to have one foot in Judaism and one foot in Christianity.




Christianity was never Judaism. Some Jews who believed in Christ had trouble letting go of old ways but it did eventually happen for the majority. Paul's teaching were incredibly important in that.


Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law- Galatians 3:13

the law entangles with the yoke of bondage- Galatians 5:1

if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law - Galatians 5:18

the strength of sin is the law- 1 Corinthians 15:56

the law worketh wrath- Romans 4:15

we are not under the law- Romans 6:15

ye also are become dead to the law - Romans 7:4

we are delivered from the law- Romans 7:6

we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter- Romans 7:6

Jesus made us free from the law of sin and death- Romans 8:2

I did not say that God's goodness depends on us doing good, but that our good works testify about that God is good. The works that God has instructed paint a picture of His character, for example, we can see that God is wise by seeing that He has instructed wise laws and by doing what is wise in obedience to His instructions we are testifying and believing that He is wise, and the same is true for other aspects of His character. Likewise, by obeying God's instructions, we are trusting in God's wisdom to correctly guide us in how to rightly live instead of leaning on our own understanding, and it is by that faith that we are saved. In other words, us embodying God's word is the way to testify about and believe in the one who is the embodiment of God's word.

I understand the position from which you view as following God, living by the commandments He gave to Moses to give to the Israelites. But in prompting you to imagine what might have been different, although I didn't expect you would give even a little thought to it. And indeed, you did not but rather saw no difference at all. Even so, if they had believed in His faithfulness, to preserve them as He had said He would, what then? If they had believed as Abraham did, and as Job did saying, "Though He slay me, yet I will hope in Him,"? What then. But instead, they murmured the entire time in the wilderness after He brought them out of slavery, and they expressed their want to go back to slavery, and so it is no wonder that God put them back under slavery to the law, just as they had wished for.

Sunday Worship?


One day out of every seven... it is the Spirit of worship and reverence that the Lord seeks. The keeping of Holy Days and Rituals are not what is pleasing to the Lord.

Long before there ever was a catholic cult... we see the Apostles meeting on Sunday... whether it was because Jesus was raised on Sunday or simply because the first day of the week represents a new beginning.

Besides... God's Word does say they discovered the tomb Jesus was laid in was empty... on the first day of the week which was Sunday...

Luke 24:1
Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

Mark 16:2
And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

John 20:1
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.


Sundays - Why we Observe

Jesus arose upon the first day of the week.
Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1

Pentecost by Divine design always came on Sunday. (Lev. 23:15-16)
Acts 2

The church was established repentance and remission of sins first preached this Sunday in Acts 2 and they were added to the saved.
Acts 2

The early church met on the first day of the week for communion (or to have a meal together and fellowship while hearing Paul teach).
Acts 20:7

Early church offerings were directed to be done upon the first day of the week.
1 Corinthians 16:2

Colossians 2:16,17
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

If they were not pleasing to God, then He would not have instructed them. God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trust worthy (Psalms 19:7), so God is pleased when we have faith in Him by having faith in what He has instructed, not when we treat what He has instructed as being untrustworthy.

The sabbath is but a shadow.

It is a shadow of the grace gospel era in which we now live, God rested on the seventh day, He has done everything He is going to do to save mankind ... we have entered His rest.

The Bible does not say anything about the New Covenant being a different religion following a different God, but rather the New Covenant involve following the same God with the same Torah (Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 36:26-27). Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to practice Judaism in obedience to the Torah by word and by example and it is absurd to think that the Law of Christ is something other than or contrary to what Christ taught.

I showed that Christianity at its origin was the form of Judaism that recognized Jesus as its prophesied Messiah, so you'll need to do more than insist otherwise.

Paul spoke about multiple categories of law other than the Law of God, so it is important to correctly identify which law he was speaking about in order to avoid making the mistake of interpreting him as speaking against following Christ. For example, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit with the law of sin and death, and in Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith.

In Deuteronomy 27-28, it describes the blessing of living in obedience to God's law and the curse of lawlessness, so Christ freed us from the curse of lawlessness so that we can be free to enjoy the blessing of getting to living in obedience to it. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from God's law, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross.

God does not put His people into bondage, but rather He frees His people from bondage. If God saved the Israelites out of bondage in Egypt in order to put them under bondage to His law, then it would be for bondage that God sets us free, however, Galatians 5:1 says that it is for freedom that God sets us free. In Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is sin in transgression of God's law the puts us in bondage while it is the truth that sets us free.

God's law was given by God and the Spirit is God, so it would be absurd to think that if we are led by the Spirit that we aren't under the Law of the Spirit. Moreover, in Galatians 5:19-23, everything listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against God's law while all of the fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with it. In Galatians 5:16-18, Paul described the desires of the flesh as causing us not to do the good that we want to do, which is how he described his struggle with the law of sin in Romas 7, so when we are led by the Spirit we are under the Law of God, but are not under the law of sin.

Likewise, it is the law of sin that is the strength of sin, not the Law of God, which leads us to repent form our sins.

The fact that disobedience to God's law brings wrath is not a very good reason to disobey it.

Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe the Law of God, which is a law where holiness, righteousness, and goodness have dominion over us (Romans 7:12), but rather it is the law of sin where sin had dominion over us. Furthermore, in Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in 1 John 3:4, sin is the transgression of the Law of God, so we are still under it.

We need to die to the law of sin in order to be free to obey the Law of God, not the other way around. God's word is His instructions for how to be unified with God's word made flesh, so it would be absurd to think that we need to die to God's word in order to becoming joined with Christ. Likewise, God's word is His instructions for how to bear fruit for Him, so it is absurd to think that we need to reject God's word in order to bear fruit for Him.

In Romans 7:22-23, Paul delighted in obeying the Law of God, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which held him captive, and Romans 7:6 specifies that we have been set free from a law that held us captive. Verses that you interpret as referring to the Law of God should make sense for it to be referring to a law that Paul delighted in obeying, so it would be absurd to interpret Romans 7:6 as referring to the Law of God as if Paul delighted in being held captive to sin. Likewise, it would be absurd to interpret Romans 7:5 as referring to the Law of God as if Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, but rather it is the law of sin that does that.

You should be much quicker to think that you must have misinterpreted all of the verses that you cited than to think that it makes perfect sense to interpret the Bible as promoting rebellion against God.

I have no objection to imagining how things might have been different, but I just don't think that believing in God qualifies as things being different. There are many verses that connect believing in God with our obedience to Him, so it's like saying imagine how things would have been different if we had jumped rather than leaped. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the law. In James 2:18, he would show his faith by his works. In Hebrews 11, every example of faith is an example of works. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith. In Romans 3:31, our faith upholds God's law. In John 3:36, it equates believing in Jesus with obeying him. In Psalm 119:30, he chose the way of faith by setting God's law before him. In Numbers 5:6, disobedience to God's law is described as breaking faith. In Hebrews 3:18-19, unbelief is equated with disobedience.

There are many verses that say that believing in Jesus is the way to enter eternal life and there are many verses that say that obedience to God is the way to enter eternal life, which is because God's commands are His instructions for how to believe in Jesus, or in other words, obedience to God's word is the way to believe in God's word made flesh. God is trustworthy, therefore His instructions are also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to trust in God is by obediently trusting in His instructions. In Proverbs 3:5-7, we have a choice between leaning on our own understanding of right and wrong by doing what is right in our own eyes or trusting in God with all of our heart by obediently following His instructions in all of our ways and He will make our way straight.

The way to believe in God's faithfulness to preserve us is by obeying His instructions (Deuteronomy 6:20-25. Abraham also believed God by obeying His instructions (Hebrews 11:8, 11:17). Obeying God's instructions is the way to put our hope in Him.

God law was given to former slaves to teach us how to be free (Psalms 119:45), not to put us back into slavery. In Galatians 5:1, it is free freedom that God sets us free, not for slavery that He sets us free. In Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is sin in transgression of God's law that puts us in bondage while it is the truth that sets us free.

In Mark 7:6-9, Jesus criticized the Pharisees as being hypocrites for setting aside the commands of God in order to establish their own traditions, so there is nothing wrong with following a tradition of worshiping God on Sunday in addition to obeying God's command to keep the Sabbath holy and in addition to His other commands like those against murder, adultery, rape, theft, kidnapping, idolatry, but we should not hypocritically set aside God's commands in order to establish our own traditions. Trying to honor the resurrection by setting aside any of the commands of God would be like a husband trying to honor his wife by committing adultery.

Obeying Leviticus 23:15-16 does not mean that we should disobey Leviticus 23:1-2.

It is important to keep in mind that for Jews the day starts at sundown, so the 1st day of the week starts on Saturday at sundown. Jews have a longstanding tradition to meet on the 1st day of the week for Havdalah to make the close of the Sabbath and the start of the work week. Jews also traditionally do not handle money on the Sabbath, so this was a time when offerings could be collected. Paul did not speak from morning until midnight, but rather he spoke from sundown until midnight and then left on Sunday morning to travel. So this does not establish that they met on Sunday morning, and even if they had, it would not establish that this is the start of a new tradition, and even if it was, this would not establish that they hypocritically kept this tradition instead of obeying God's command to keep the Sabbath holy, and even if they did, it would not establish that we should follow their example of sin.

The Colossians were keeping God's feasts in obedience to His commands in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow, they were being judged for doing that by pagans promoting human traditions and teachings, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body (Colossians 2:20-23), and Paul was encouraging them not to let any man judge them for doing that, so it is ionic when people try to use this passage to justify their refusal to obey God.