Israel Declares War

I thought Jesus and the apostles were responsible for that teaching.

I am just relaying the facts of what I see when people argue these things.

Somebody once said, everyone argues about these things.

I told them I didn't.

They mocked me. LOL. Like, oh, yeah, you are the only person who doesn't???

I don't know how many do or don't. I just know I don't.

There is definitely evidence that a pre trib perspective was at least in existence in the early church. Many truths were lost and obfuscated by the pre-reformation Catholic Church, and these took time to rediscover. If Darby can be credited with anything it would be in popularising the idea, but not in in inception of the doctrine…

https://truthandtidings.com/2020/07/the-rapture-a-pre-darby-rapture/

My (limited) understanding of this point is that many Palestinians aren't looking for Israels destruction... though for the last few decades they have kinda' become the proxy that you say. But it doesn't hold true for "all".

Most believe that Israel's formation was against the UN plan at the time... there's evidence for this.

They also claim that Israel was heavily engaged in terroristic activities with the local Arabs in the region pre-1948... there's supporting evidence for this as well.

For the most part, the citizens want their land back (which is doubtful it could ever happen as substantial develop has already occurred).

It isn't difficult to search the internet for a concise history of it all... you just have to give up preconceived notions.

No... the bulk of Christian thought on eschatology before Darby had no rapture, no great tribulation, and no Mil. Kingdom. But there were also many that did believe some or all of those things.

This should be in a seperate thread...

I'm open to anything. But my question would be: why haven't they done it? I think it is a reasonable position to say Israel wants the annihilation of Hamas. I don't think they desire the annihilation of Palestinians. But that's just my take. Getting rid of the Palestinians doesn't rid Israel of hateful neighbors.

Haha... unbiased!? Surely you jest! LoL.
Of course not... we have to read with a skeptical eye and try/pray for discernment.

The bulk of Christians were paying indulgences prior to Martin Luther, that doesn't really mean anything to me. What does the NT say? Yes, like you say, this should be in another thread.

I would think that international disapproval would be one of the leading reasons. Arab nations threats against it. UN disapproval has been clear since 1948... Israel defied the UN's plan and took much more land than was proposed... by force.

"unprovoked"

Does the human rights abuses that Israel subjected the residents of Gaza to over the past 17 years count as provocation?

In February, Amnesty International released a 280-page report showing how Israel was imposing an institutionalized regime of oppression and domination against the Palestinian people wherever it exercised control over their rights, fragmenting and segregating Palestinian citizens of Israel, residents of the OPT and Palestinian refugees denied the right of return. Through massive seizures of land and property, unlawful killings, infliction of serious injuries, forcible transfers, arbitrary restrictions on freedom of movement, and denial of nationality, among other inhuman or inhumane acts, Israeli officials would be responsible for the crime against humanity of apartheid, which falls under the jurisdiction of the ICC.1

Yes I read a history of 1948 and it was clear that both sides were involved in terrorist activity and even one of the Israeli Prime ministers had been involved in a terrorist act earlier in his life.

Was this before or after all of Israel's neighbors tried to take their land by force?

There is no nation called Palistine. So who's land was taken?

The neighbors are not all hateful, that is untrue, and the tensions in the area are tied to larger geopolitical issues.

They named it Palestine to try and erase Israel from the history books, so it was Israel's land that was taken.

The land was part of the Ottoman Empire prior to Britain gaining control.

Before... there was a big Zionist push for an Israeli nation in the 1920's (before to, just not well structured - but they did get the Balfour Declaration). Anyway it grew in the 30's, and boomed at the conclusion of WWII.

Mostly untrue, not 100%. Lebanon is a neighbor, Syria is a neighbor, and Jordan is a neighbor. All three of these countries have supported and/or housed terrorists as well as had terrorist actions perpetrated from their land on Israel.