Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

Now you're just arguing with yourself. You defined atheist as someone who denies God's existence. I said I was one and
I did that, and there are others who also do that. Then you proceeded to contradict yourself and said that's not true.

Send me a link to your other post.

Yeah, you were lying to yourself, not an atheist hoping God would save you. Atheists do not
believe God exists, and they do not hope something they don't believe exists will save them.

You do not know what people believe other than what they tell you. Can you read minds? Do you have a spirit of discernment?

When I called myself atheist or agnostic, it was a time in my life I forgot about the gospel message. Vast majority of my life I never even remembered that time when I was a kid and accepted Jesus. At that time there was no salvation on my mind, there was nothing after death and it was as if we never even existed. When we forget about things, that's not even us lying to ourselves, that's just called forgetting and not realizing.

It was also a lie I told everyone else because my faith was very weak and most of the time never reached my conscious mind. I figured God is good, he will save me, or at least prove that he is real to give me a chance to believe... until then I'm just going assume he doesn't exist (while staying away from most evil, just in case he does). So yes, people do lie about their beliefs, and just because someone denies God and calls themselves an atheist, doesn't mean they won't change.

I am pointing out the inconsistencies in your stories. I have not contradicted myself, but YOU have contradicted yourself.

By definition, an atheist does not believe God exists. That renders them
incapable of hoping He will save them, or of thinking He is good.

No, humans are more complicated than that, what we believe deep inside can contradict what we think we actually believe and what we actually tell others.

Yeah, you admit you were lying to yourself, your faith was weak, you believed God was good and would save you.

That does not in any way describe an atheist.

You say humans are more complicated but have no problem trying to pigeon-hole me while you pass off false assumptions as facts.

@NTNT58 ,


I have a question...

I wonder...

... I was recently reading what someone had written (I think it was about the same guy as in your videos), basically making a point that the word "Jesus" is used 980 times in the NT (490+490)...


...but when I check BLB for this info...


...why does this page (BLB) say, " 'Jesus' occurs 983 times... in the KJV"

- https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=jesus&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1



... and this page (also at BLB) says, "Strong's Number G2424 matches the Greek Ἰησοῦς (iēsous),
which occurs 975 times in 935 verses in the TR Greek"

- https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g2424/kjv/tr/0-1/




NOTE: My question is not, why is there a difference between these two pages at BLB...

...rather, my question is, why are these both different from the info supplied by (I think) this same fella (in your videos) by means of the bible-search link he uses for the kjv, [supposedly??] showing 980 occurrences of this word in the NT.


Got any ideas? I'm really curious (...especially about this particular point). What am I missing??



[p.s. I have noticed "typos" at BLB before; and I think I recall that they also count the italicized words... not sure if that would be the case, here]

There are 4 people named Jesus in the KJV for a total of 983 mentions. When you take out the 3 other Jesus named guys, you get Jesus, our Messiah mentioned 980 times, further showing the intelligent design behind this.

1) Jesus Barabbas, was the captive robber, whom the Jews begged Pilate to release, instead of Jesus after Jesus had been arrested.
2) Jesus, son of Eliezer, one of the ancestors of Christ (Luke. 3:29).
3) Jesus surnamed, Justus, a Jewish Christian, associated with Paul in the preaching of the gospel (Colossians. 4:11.) (Strong’s Bible Lexicon)

I think the confusion comes in, when I look at the KJV (at BLB), and it says " ' Jesus'... 983 occurrences in the KJV," I assume that means 983x that THAT word is used in the KJV... so the "count" for the KJV (at least according to BLB) is NOT including:

--Matt27:16, 17 (where IN THE KJV "Jesus" is not also before "Barabbas," as it is in some other versions [NIV]) - https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=jesus&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_4;

nor

--Luke 3:29 - [scroll down] https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=jesus&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_6 ;

(that seems like it would be another 3x ^ ... not counted in the KJV totals)




[though it IS used in Col4:11--I did forget about that one--"Jesus surnamed Justus"... and which the kjv DOES "count" of course... so we could subtract this one and that (apparently) still leaves "982x" in the kjv (if BLB is correct)--which still isn't "980" lol]






So that leaves me still perplexed... as I thought this overall "study" was centering on what the kjv has, rather than other versions??












At BLB, under "Barabbas [G912]," it says this under the heading of "Thayer's":

"Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS G912:
Βαραββᾶς, -ᾶ, ὁ, (from בַּר son, and אַבָּא father, hence, son of a father i. e. of a master [cf. Matthew 23:9]), a captive robber whom the Jews begged Pilate to release instead of Christ: Matthew 27:16f (where manuscripts mentioned by Origen, and some other authorities, place Ἰησοῦν before Βαραββᾶν, approved by Fritzsche, DeWette, Meyer, Bleek, others; [cf. WH Appendix and Tdf.s note at the passage; also Treg. Printed Text, etc., p. 194f]), [...]"




But again, I thought the idea of this study was to zero in on what the kjv says (the number of occurrences in THAT version), and not other ones??

Thoughts?

Take out the only 3 ones who are not Christ and you have 7x70+7x70, which other versions do not have.

Yeah, that does not describe an atheist. Atheists deny God's existence. They do not assume God is good.
In fact many spend a lot of time giving reasons why nobody should believe God is, or that He is good.
They dedicate their lives to this endeavor, and they are not secretly hoping they are wrong.

When you say,



... well, you cannot "TAKE OUT" what the kjv itself has not listed as being "IN" it. = )



[see my Post #633 and Post #631's two links supplied there... for their ABSENCE amongst the LIST (I'm not referring to Col4:11 though! It IS listed among the "occurrences" in the kjv)]



This is the problem I'm seeing, in this particular case.

Jesus died for sneering atheists too! Just because I find them hard to like, I am commanded to love them too.

One of my old great uncles growing up had met a man who had lost his faith through the evil of WWI and worked a doubt into his heart that remained. Many years later he had lost a wife in middle years and never remarried. When I came on the scene he was already old and when my parents became Christians during the Jesus Revolution of the late 60s and early 70s, he would try to argue and bully them out of faith. His favourite phrase was “it’s all a lot of bunkum”.

Evolution was his favourite stick with which to beat people with and (perhaps because of this) my Dad ended up coming in contact with some early creationist materials to help him work through his own questions. One day Dad had set a video to record onto an audio tape using a rather complicated setup that involved lots of wires and having to be quiet in the lounge. My great uncle had come round that day and was more tired than usual. He went through to the lounge when the recording was taking place and had noticed the “no talking” sign. We braced for an argument as he began to watch the following:


What happened next?

When we came into the room after the recording of finished, this old scoffer and rejector of God had a new look on his face. He looked younger, bewildered and oddly happy. Then he said something I will never forget:

“It’s all true”

If you can imagine Dawkins or Ricky Gervais saying something similar, you can imagine our surprise. Well into his eighties and still able to drive he had carried on with his mind full of the teachings of Marx and Bertrand Russell. He let it all go and we could all see something had changed in him. Joy and peace. A few weeks later, he fell asleep and met his creator, not as a judge and a stranger, but as a friend and saviour.

Great point! Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8 have Joshua being called Jesus. The 2 names are translations of the same name Yeshua, and are both interchangeable. KJV chose to use Joshua in all of the OT and Jesus in all of the NT. It's confusing, but if I had to guess the reason they've done it is because the name because special. Hope that clarifies everything.

Jesus died for sneering atheists too! Just because I find them hard to like, I am commanded to love them too.

Amazing transformation! It's the holy spirit that converts, but it's our duty as children of God to be the vessels that convey inspiration as well as prove God to be true and worthy of worship and adoration! The old, ignorant ways of bullying and insulting people have got to go. Without love we are nothing. And without love and understanding what each person needs our ministry is of no effect. Some people just need proof that Christianity is not just a congregation of bitter, ignorant haters. Others need proof that Christianity is not just fairy tales made up by people who are afraid of dying.