Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?
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You do not know what people believe other than what they tell you. Can you read minds? Do you have a spirit of discernment?
When I called myself atheist or agnostic, it was a time in my life I forgot about the gospel message. Vast majority of my life I never even remembered that time when I was a kid and accepted Jesus. At that time there was no salvation on my mind, there was nothing after death and it was as if we never even existed. When we forget about things, that's not even us lying to ourselves, that's just called forgetting and not realizing.
When I called myself atheist or agnostic, it was a time in my life I forgot about the gospel message. Vast majority of my life I never even remembered that time when I was a kid and accepted Jesus. At that time there was no salvation on my mind, there was nothing after death and it was as if we never even existed. When we forget about things, that's not even us lying to ourselves, that's just called forgetting and not realizing.
@NTNT58 ,
I have a question...
I wonder...
... I was recently reading what someone had written (I think it was about the same guy as in your videos), basically making a point that the word "Jesus" is used 980 times in the NT (490+490)...
...but when I check BLB for this info...
...why does this page (BLB) say, " 'Jesus' occurs 983 times... in the KJV"
- https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=jesus&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
... and this page (also at BLB) says, "Strong's Number G2424 matches the Greek Ἰησοῦς (iēsous),
which occurs 975 times in 935 verses in the TR Greek"
- https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g2424/kjv/tr/0-1/
NOTE: My question is not, why is there a difference between these two pages at BLB...
...rather, my question is, why are these both different from the info supplied by (I think) this same fella (in your videos) by means of the bible-search link he uses for the kjv, [supposedly??] showing 980 occurrences of this word in the NT.
Got any ideas? I'm really curious (...especially about this particular point). What am I missing??
[p.s. I have noticed "typos" at BLB before; and I think I recall that they also count the italicized words... not sure if that would be the case, here]
I have a question...
I wonder...
... I was recently reading what someone had written (I think it was about the same guy as in your videos), basically making a point that the word "Jesus" is used 980 times in the NT (490+490)...
...but when I check BLB for this info...
...why does this page (BLB) say, " 'Jesus' occurs 983 times... in the KJV"
- https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=jesus&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
... and this page (also at BLB) says, "Strong's Number G2424 matches the Greek Ἰησοῦς (iēsous),
which occurs 975 times in 935 verses in the TR Greek"
- https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g2424/kjv/tr/0-1/
NOTE: My question is not, why is there a difference between these two pages at BLB...
...rather, my question is, why are these both different from the info supplied by (I think) this same fella (in your videos) by means of the bible-search link he uses for the kjv, [supposedly??] showing 980 occurrences of this word in the NT.
Got any ideas? I'm really curious (...especially about this particular point). What am I missing??
[p.s. I have noticed "typos" at BLB before; and I think I recall that they also count the italicized words... not sure if that would be the case, here]
There are 4 people named Jesus in the KJV for a total of 983 mentions. When you take out the 3 other Jesus named guys, you get Jesus, our Messiah mentioned 980 times, further showing the intelligent design behind this.
1) Jesus Barabbas, was the captive robber, whom the Jews begged Pilate to release, instead of Jesus after Jesus had been arrested.
2) Jesus, son of Eliezer, one of the ancestors of Christ (Luke. 3:29).
3) Jesus surnamed, Justus, a Jewish Christian, associated with Paul in the preaching of the gospel (Colossians. 4:11.) (Strong’s Bible Lexicon)
1) Jesus Barabbas, was the captive robber, whom the Jews begged Pilate to release, instead of Jesus after Jesus had been arrested.
2) Jesus, son of Eliezer, one of the ancestors of Christ (Luke. 3:29).
3) Jesus surnamed, Justus, a Jewish Christian, associated with Paul in the preaching of the gospel (Colossians. 4:11.) (Strong’s Bible Lexicon)
I think the confusion comes in, when I look at the KJV (at BLB), and it says " ' Jesus'... 983 occurrences in the KJV," I assume that means 983x that THAT word is used in the KJV... so the "count" for the KJV (at least according to BLB) is NOT including:
--Matt27:16, 17 (where IN THE KJV "Jesus" is not also before "Barabbas," as it is in some other versions [NIV]) - https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=jesus&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_4;
nor
--Luke 3:29 - [scroll down] https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=jesus&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_6 ;
(that seems like it would be another 3x ^ ... not counted in the KJV totals)
[though it IS used in Col4:11--I did forget about that one--"Jesus surnamed Justus"... and which the kjv DOES "count" of course... so we could subtract this one and that (apparently) still leaves "982x" in the kjv (if BLB is correct)--which still isn't "980" lol]
So that leaves me still perplexed... as I thought this overall "study" was centering on what the kjv has, rather than other versions??
At BLB, under "Barabbas [G912]," it says this under the heading of "Thayer's":
"Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS G912:
Βαραββᾶς, -ᾶ, ὁ, (from בַּר son, and אַבָּא father, hence, son of a father i. e. of a master [cf. Matthew 23:9]), a captive robber whom the Jews begged Pilate to release instead of Christ: Matthew 27:16f (where manuscripts mentioned by Origen, and some other authorities, place Ἰησοῦν before Βαραββᾶν, approved by Fritzsche, DeWette, Meyer, Bleek, others; [cf. WH Appendix and Tdf.s note at the passage; also Treg. Printed Text, etc., p. 194f]), [...]"
But again, I thought the idea of this study was to zero in on what the kjv says (the number of occurrences in THAT version), and not other ones??
Thoughts?
--Matt27:16, 17 (where IN THE KJV "Jesus" is not also before "Barabbas," as it is in some other versions [NIV]) - https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=jesus&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_4;
nor
--Luke 3:29 - [scroll down] https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=jesus&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_6 ;
(that seems like it would be another 3x ^ ... not counted in the KJV totals)
[though it IS used in Col4:11--I did forget about that one--"Jesus surnamed Justus"... and which the kjv DOES "count" of course... so we could subtract this one and that (apparently) still leaves "982x" in the kjv (if BLB is correct)--which still isn't "980" lol]
So that leaves me still perplexed... as I thought this overall "study" was centering on what the kjv has, rather than other versions??
At BLB, under "Barabbas [G912]," it says this under the heading of "Thayer's":
"Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS G912:
Βαραββᾶς, -ᾶ, ὁ, (from בַּר son, and אַבָּא father, hence, son of a father i. e. of a master [cf. Matthew 23:9]), a captive robber whom the Jews begged Pilate to release instead of Christ: Matthew 27:16f (where manuscripts mentioned by Origen, and some other authorities, place Ἰησοῦν before Βαραββᾶν, approved by Fritzsche, DeWette, Meyer, Bleek, others; [cf. WH Appendix and Tdf.s note at the passage; also Treg. Printed Text, etc., p. 194f]), [...]"
But again, I thought the idea of this study was to zero in on what the kjv says (the number of occurrences in THAT version), and not other ones??
Thoughts?
^ @NTNT58 , I provided two specific links in that post, showing how that the KJV is NOT "counting" Matt27:16 & 17 [v.17 b/f "Barabbas"]... nor Lk3:29... when it says "983 occurrences" in the KJV (of the word "Jesus").
IOW, those verses are NOT listed among the other verses (kjv LIST) where "Jesus" occurs (according to BLB's "count" ["983"]).
That's how it's looking, to me, anyway...
IOW, those verses are NOT listed among the other verses (kjv LIST) where "Jesus" occurs (according to BLB's "count" ["983"]).
That's how it's looking, to me, anyway...
When you say,
... well, you cannot "TAKE OUT" what the kjv itself has not listed as being "IN" it. = )
[see my Post #633 and Post #631's two links supplied there... for their ABSENCE amongst the LIST
(I'm not referring to Col4:11 though! It IS listed among the "occurrences" in the kjv)]
This is the problem I'm seeing, in this particular case.
... well, you cannot "TAKE OUT" what the kjv itself has not listed as being "IN" it. = )
[see my Post #633 and Post #631's two links supplied there... for their ABSENCE amongst the LIST
(I'm not referring to Col4:11 though! It IS listed among the "occurrences" in the kjv)]This is the problem I'm seeing, in this particular case.
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Jesus died for sneering atheists too! Just because I find them hard to like, I am commanded to love them too.
One of my old great uncles growing up had met a man who had lost his faith through the evil of WWI and worked a doubt into his heart that remained. Many years later he had lost a wife in middle years and never remarried. When I came on the scene he was already old and when my parents became Christians during the Jesus Revolution of the late 60s and early 70s, he would try to argue and bully them out of faith. His favourite phrase was “it’s all a lot of bunkum”.
Evolution was his favourite stick with which to beat people with and (perhaps because of this) my Dad ended up coming in contact with some early creationist materials to help him work through his own questions. One day Dad had set a video to record onto an audio tape using a rather complicated setup that involved lots of wires and having to be quiet in the lounge. My great uncle had come round that day and was more tired than usual. He went through to the lounge when the recording was taking place and had noticed the “no talking” sign. We braced for an argument as he began to watch the following:
What happened next?
When we came into the room after the recording of finished, this old scoffer and rejector of God had a new look on his face. He looked younger, bewildered and oddly happy. Then he said something I will never forget:
“It’s all true”
If you can imagine Dawkins or Ricky Gervais saying something similar, you can imagine our surprise. Well into his eighties and still able to drive he had carried on with his mind full of the teachings of Marx and Bertrand Russell. He let it all go and we could all see something had changed in him. Joy and peace. A few weeks later, he fell asleep and met his creator, not as a judge and a stranger, but as a friend and saviour.
One of my old great uncles growing up had met a man who had lost his faith through the evil of WWI and worked a doubt into his heart that remained. Many years later he had lost a wife in middle years and never remarried. When I came on the scene he was already old and when my parents became Christians during the Jesus Revolution of the late 60s and early 70s, he would try to argue and bully them out of faith. His favourite phrase was “it’s all a lot of bunkum”.
Evolution was his favourite stick with which to beat people with and (perhaps because of this) my Dad ended up coming in contact with some early creationist materials to help him work through his own questions. One day Dad had set a video to record onto an audio tape using a rather complicated setup that involved lots of wires and having to be quiet in the lounge. My great uncle had come round that day and was more tired than usual. He went through to the lounge when the recording was taking place and had noticed the “no talking” sign. We braced for an argument as he began to watch the following:
What happened next?
When we came into the room after the recording of finished, this old scoffer and rejector of God had a new look on his face. He looked younger, bewildered and oddly happy. Then he said something I will never forget:
“It’s all true”
If you can imagine Dawkins or Ricky Gervais saying something similar, you can imagine our surprise. Well into his eighties and still able to drive he had carried on with his mind full of the teachings of Marx and Bertrand Russell. He let it all go and we could all see something had changed in him. Joy and peace. A few weeks later, he fell asleep and met his creator, not as a judge and a stranger, but as a friend and saviour.
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When you say,
... well, you cannot "TAKE OUT" what the kjv itself has not listed as being "IN" it. = )
[see my Post #633 and Post #631's two links supplied there... for their ABSENCE amongst the LIST (I'm not referring to Col4:11 though! It IS listed among the "occurrences" in the kjv)]
This is the problem I'm seeing, in this particular case.
... well, you cannot "TAKE OUT" what the kjv itself has not listed as being "IN" it. = )
[see my Post #633 and Post #631's two links supplied there... for their ABSENCE amongst the LIST
(I'm not referring to Col4:11 though! It IS listed among the "occurrences" in the kjv)]This is the problem I'm seeing, in this particular case.
Amazing transformation! It's the holy spirit that converts, but it's our duty as children of God to be the vessels that convey inspiration as well as prove God to be true and worthy of worship and adoration! The old, ignorant ways of bullying and insulting people have got to go. Without love we are nothing. And without love and understanding what each person needs our ministry is of no effect. Some people just need proof that Christianity is not just a congregation of bitter, ignorant haters. Others need proof that Christianity is not just fairy tales made up by people who are afraid of dying.
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Okay, now this is making a little more sense (from that of your previous post / explanation).
So you're saying,
"983 x" - "Jesus"...
...but subtract the 2x it was referring to "Joshua" (Acts 7:45 & Heb4:8) and the 1x it's referring to "Jesus surnamed Justus" (Col4:11)...
... and there's the "980x" (490+490).
But for some reason this "count" (980x) INCLUDES the 5x this word is "italicized" (meaning, supplied by the kjv for clarification purposes, but not because they saw it in the Greek text), which are the following occurrences (where "Jesus" is in italics in the kjv--as shown at BLB) - in reverse order, here:
1) John 9:1 (pg 10) - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/jhn/9/1/p0/t_conc_1006001
2) Luke 19:1 (pg 7) - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/luk/19/1/p0/t_conc_992001
3) Luke 7:37 (pg 6) - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/luk/7/37/p0/t_conc_980037
4) Mark 16:9 (pg 6) - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mar/16/9/p0/t_conc_973009
5) Mark 5:24 (pg 4) - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mar/5/24/p0/t_conc_962024
So, these also "count" even though they are italicized (and at the link, shows they are not present in the Greek)... okay, interesting. Hmmm.
Anyway, thank you for your help! I grasp the point, now, anyway. lol
[I DID go through all 19 pages to actually DO THE COUNTING, just to make sure it does total "983," and yes that's what I counted... I did so because I've seen mis-counts at BLB in the past... so I wondered, here. LOL; That's how I found these 5x italicized... which I'd also earlier WONDERED about (in this thread)]
So you're saying,
"983 x" - "Jesus"...
...but subtract the 2x it was referring to "Joshua" (Acts 7:45 & Heb4:8) and the 1x it's referring to "Jesus surnamed Justus" (Col4:11)...
... and there's the "980x" (490+490).
But for some reason this "count" (980x) INCLUDES the 5x this word is "italicized" (meaning, supplied by the kjv for clarification purposes, but not because they saw it in the Greek text), which are the following occurrences (where "Jesus" is in italics in the kjv--as shown at BLB) - in reverse order, here:
1) John 9:1 (pg 10) - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/jhn/9/1/p0/t_conc_1006001
2) Luke 19:1 (pg 7) - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/luk/19/1/p0/t_conc_992001
3) Luke 7:37 (pg 6) - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/luk/7/37/p0/t_conc_980037
4) Mark 16:9 (pg 6) - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mar/16/9/p0/t_conc_973009
5) Mark 5:24 (pg 4) - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mar/5/24/p0/t_conc_962024
So, these also "count" even though they are italicized (and at the link, shows they are not present in the Greek)... okay, interesting. Hmmm.
Anyway, thank you for your help! I grasp the point, now, anyway. lol
[I DID go through all 19 pages to actually DO THE COUNTING, just to make sure it does total "983," and yes that's what I counted... I did so because I've seen mis-counts at BLB in the past... so I wondered, here. LOL; That's how I found these 5x italicized... which I'd also earlier WONDERED about (in this thread)]
"What WE do is testify to the lost, and let the seeds fall where they may." Pretending they are logical
(like your buddy here has) when they are not, is not loving them. I know who and what they are.
Acknowledging that is not not loving them. Spending years testifying to them, is not not loving them.
Unlike your buddy here, I am not going to pretend atheists believe in God, and hope He is good,
and will save them. It seems you two have a problem with the truth.
(like your buddy here has) when they are not, is not loving them. I know who and what they are.
Acknowledging that is not not loving them. Spending years testifying to them, is not not loving them.
Unlike your buddy here, I am not going to pretend atheists believe in God, and hope He is good,
and will save them. It seems you two have a problem with the truth.
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1 Corinthians 9:19-23
King James Version
19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
King James Version
19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
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