Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

See, you have to work hard to stay and remain or you rill lose salvation.

works salvation 101

God keeps us, we can;t keep ourself.

Eternal life is eternal life

When God says we will never die, he means it,

Non of this balogny that eternal life is conditional. And that never dying means we might never die

just because a person can does not mean they will

We don;t just unrepent and freely walk away from the great salvation that saved us,

well unless we never really had faith to begin with. and thus never experienced Gods true love..

"Once saved always saved" is just another way of saying "You will not surely die." Gen. 3:4

No problem regarding the timing.
Sorry, I'm lost. If you would and to make this easy, please include the verses you have in mind and
how you interpret them - it would be appreciated - thanks.

No problem at all. It's the whole chapter of Matthew 25. Context is very important to help us understand what we are being taught. So Jesus starts off with two parables, the ten virgins and the talents. He then ends with the judgement scene. In all three, the only thing that determines their fate is what they did or did not do. Hope that helps. If not, let me know.

I don't think it was from what they did or did not do. Instead, I think it was by what they were given or not given.
The ten virgins were divided between five that were wise, and five that were foolish.
As I understand its interpretation, the oil of the lamps is symbolic of the anointing of the Holy Spirit, and the lamps symbolic of spiritual wisdom and understanding from the oil.
The wise were made so by God. We know this because the oil was in their lamps, so they could see spiritually, and made wise- or said another way - they had the Holy Spirit - the five foolish were so because the oil (the Holy Spirit) was not within their lamps, so they could not see spiritually, and were not spiritually wise. The five foolish believed that the anointing oil (the Holy Spirit), could be purchased - which belief was of their foolishness - in effect, believing that God could be purchased or acquired through their own efforts, rather than only by God through His grace. The five wise, already having the Holy Spirit through God's grace, had their lamps lit and filled with oil through His anointing of the Holy Spirit. They, having been given the Holy Spirit and by it, spiritual wisdom, could see and understand when to enter in. The five wise refused to give their oil to the unwise because had they done so, that would have meant them unwise, not being able to see, and not having the Holy Spirit, because they knew the Holy Spirit cannot be given by a person to a person, nor can He be purchased – but only by God's grace. Being wise, they realized that. This was made clear by the groom (Jesus) saying unto the foolish that He “knew them not”. Had God given to them the Holy Spirit as He did to the wise, then by that, they would have been known by Christ.
So, the actions of the ten virgins were a result of God having either giving them the Holy Spirit, or not giving them the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit, they would have no light to see, to respond, or when to enter in, but those with Him, would.

[1Sa 16:13 KJV] 13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.

[Lev 10:7 KJV] 7 And ye shall not go out from the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: for the anointing oil of the LORD [is] upon you. And they did according to the word of Moses.

[Mat 7:22-23 KJV]
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The parable of the talents I believe, is that those servants who had a true knowledge of salvation (the talents) and having been given faith, they thereby acted faithfully - and brought forth an increase beyond the talent’s monetary value through its power by trading, which power, in spiritually terms, is realized in the sharing of the gospel (which of course with God as its power, is He who brings forth its increase).
The unprofitable servant who also had a knowledge of salvation but a superficial one, being without faith, could not bring forth an increase, and therefore, he acted unfaithfully not comprehending nor trusting in the talent’s power – he could trust only in the talent’s monetary value alone, and was therefore fearful to trade, which the other servants having been given faith, and being faithful, could trust in, and did trade to bring forth increase, albeit to varying degrees between them, nevertheless, they did bring forth increase.

The parable of the sheep I believe I've addressed extensively in my prior posts to you.

I composed this quickly so it may not be phrased very well nor very clearly, plus it may overlook some logical aspects, but I believe the gist correct. So, since we have gone through this several times now, I suggest we move on to the next topic for discussion.

May I respectfully suggest you are reading this looking for what you want it to say and not trying to understand what it's telling you. For example,
you said, - the five foolish were so because the oil (the Holy Spirit) was not within their lamps, so they could not see spiritually, and were not spiritually wise. They had the same oil in their lamps as did the wise. 7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ The foolish lamps were still burning but because of the delay they were going out. They were all virgins, they were all part of the same wedding party and they all had oil in their lamps. Only the wise made it in because of what they did and the foolish didn't make it in because of what they didn't do.

The talents. How did you determine they had "different" talents? True knowledge and superficial?

Using your logic of the sheep. Did God make them wolves?

We all see what we want to see at times. That's why it's good to talk with someone who disagrees with us. Hopefully they can help us to see what we're not seeing.

May I respectfully suggest you are reading this looking for what you want it to say and not trying to understand what it's telling you. For example,
you said, - the five foolish were so because the oil (the Holy Spirit) was not within their lamps, so they could not see spiritually, and were not spiritually wise. They had the same oil in their lamps as did the wise. 7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ The foolish lamps were still burning but because of the delay they were going out. They were all virgins, they were all part of the same wedding party and they all had oil in their lamps. Only the wise made it in because of what they did and the foolish didn't make it in because of what they didn't do.

The talents. How did you determine they had "different" talents? True knowledge and superficial?

Using your logic of the sheep. Did God make them wolves?

We all see what we want to see at times. That's why it's good to talk with someone who disagrees with us. Hopefully they can help us to see what we're not seeing.

Their lamps were empty. Not going out but were out. "took no oil with them" means they had no oil.

The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

They started out with oil but did not bring extra as the wise ones had.

The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps.

Don't think so:

[Mat 25:3-4 KJV]
3 They that [were] foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

[Mat 25:8 KJV]
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

Their lamps could not have gone out if they were not lit to begin with.

The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

They started out with oil but did not bring extra as the wise ones had.

The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps.

Respectfully disagree.

Their lamps were empty. Not going out but were out. "took no oil with them" means they had no oil.

[Mat 25:3 KJV] 3 They that [were] foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
[Mat 25:8 KJV] 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

Not sure that I understand you. Talents are a measurement of money, not of inherent personal abilities.

[Mat 25:27 KJV] 27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and [then] at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Satan makes the wolves, God does not. But God made sheep of only those He wanted for sheep.

Were true that and based upon what one does or doesn't do - which is how I understand your interpretation of those parables - then there would be no such thing as a Saviour. A Saviour must be the one who saves fully, completely and to the uttermost in spite of, not in addition to, the actions of those whom He saves.

As for the virgins, think about what you're saying. Whether it says going out or gone out, it means the lamps were/are burning. When it says they brought no oil, it means they didn't bring extra oil to be prepared for a delay.

As for the talents you said it's a measurement of money. Each servant was given talents (same thing). How did you determine that the 5&2 were given faith and the 1 talent man was not given faith if they were each given the same thing.

If God makes the sheep, why doesn't He make everyone sheep? He desires everyone to be saved. who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

We absolutely need a Savior. This has been confused for many years and because of that it's hard for people to understand. Let me ask you this, do you believe we are saved by faith alone? I imagine you do but what does the bible tell us about faith alone.
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. I believe what the bible says so I strive to understand what that means. What Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? means.

There are NO AMOUNT of works we can do to save ourselves. Impossible!! We are only saved by the grace of God and it is a gift but He doesn't give the gift to everyone. If there is nothing we can do, then everyone is saved. Therefore there is something we can/must do to receive the gift. I suggest we need to read the scriptures to determine what it is we must do.

"Once saved always saved" is just another way of saying "You will not surely die." Gen. 3:4

As for the virgins, think about what you're saying. Whether it says going out or gone out, it means the lamps were/are burning. When it says they brought no oil, it means they didn't bring extra oil to be prepared for a delay.

As for the talents you said it's a measurement of money. Each servant was given talents (same thing). How did you determine that the 5&2 were given faith and the 1 talent man was not given faith if they were each given the same thing.

If God makes the sheep, why doesn't He make everyone sheep? He desires everyone to be saved. who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

We absolutely need a Savior. This has been confused for many years and because of that it's hard for people to understand. Let me ask you this, do you believe we are saved by faith alone? I imagine you do but what does the bible tell us about faith alone.
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. I believe what the bible says so I strive to understand what that means. What Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? means.

There are NO AMOUNT of works we can do to save ourselves. Impossible!! We are only saved by the grace of God and it is a gift but He doesn't give the gift to everyone. If there is nothing we can do, then everyone is saved. Therefore there is something we can/must do to receive the gift. I suggest we need to read the scriptures to determine what it is we must do.

I thought that I did think about it. No, it doesn't mean that, it means when the time
came, they tried to light them (trimmed them) but they extinguished for a lack of oil.

Respectfully, sounds to me like you contradict yourself. If there is no work that we can do to save ourselves, well, then there is no work we can do to save ourselves - none whatsoever, right? Yet you say, "there is something we can and must do to receive the gift". According to you, if there is that something, and if we do it, then beyond dispute, we save ourselves; if we don't do it, then beyond dispute, we won't be saved. That not only would then be our work to do, but also makes of us our saviour, doesn't it? Any requirement for us for salvation no matter how slight it may be, is work - it's binary. The Saviour's salvation must cover everything, to include the something we can and must do, as you say. Were it to be otherwise, then Christ can't be the Saviour. That is what is meant by saves to the uttermost - that everything pertaining to salvation was covered by it.