Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

To teach against the eternal security of the believer, its an attack on Christ being the Author of Eternal Salvation, which He gives to them He died for Heb 5:9
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;.

if you do not obey God, then He cannot be Your Personal Author of Eternal Salvation.

What then, are God's Commandments, that must be Obeyed?

He said, DO NOT SIN!
Do NOT LOOK AT A WOMAN in LUST!
there's many here and we both know this.

So, if God says, DO NOT SIN.
and we must Obey in order to have Eternal Salvation.
then each time we SIN, this is being Broken.

so, how can one break the Commands of God through Disobedience and claim they have Eternal Salvation.


i am merely going off this specific Verse, 9, that you have presented.

Is that how you feel about the Truth and Efficacy of Christs Death ?

Lukewarmness with the Loadiceans is a church losing the place of the Holy Spirit 'in the midst' of them. Not individuals having eternal life taken away.

Difference between indwelling Vs 'in the midst'

if you do not obey God, then He cannot be Your Personal Author of Eternal Salvation.

What then, are God's Commandments, that must be Obeyed?

He said, DO NOT SIN!
Do NOT LOOK AT A WOMAN in LUST!
there's many here and we both know this.

So, if God says, DO NOT SIN.
and we must Obey in order to have Eternal Salvation.
then each time we SIN, this is being Broken.

so, how can one break the Commands of God through Disobedience and claim they have Eternal Salvation.


i am merely going off this specific Verse, 9, that you have presented.

Believers sin all the time unintentionally when not intentionally. We can sin less, by God's grace..and that is the right response to being given eternal life, but we can never be completely sinless until we get to heaven.

This is why salvation is OSAS because there is nothing inherintly good in us, and all good we do for Jesus is from us who a moment later sins when we don't know we are sinning.

I believe Jesus spewing someone out of His mouth because of lukewarmness is a good indication of someone losing their salvation.

"To teach against the eternal security of the believer, its an attack on Christ being the Author of Eternal Salvation, which He gives to them He died for Heb 5:9" No it isn't. But, to preach and teach that a person once a person accepts Christ as Lord and Savior that they can not ever lose their salvation is the same as saying that a person no longer has the free will to choose. A person always has the choice of choosing to serve sin or walk away from Christ, both before and after being saved.

i am pretty sure most Christians SIN on Purpose.
agreed, because it happens to me, we do indeed SIN not intentionally.
but this Verse said Those WHO OBEY GOD.
so, this is about the SINS we commit ON PURPOSE.

and many who follow OSAS do SIN, on Purpose, thinking it's already Covered by the BLOOD of Jesus.

But the same applies to many who believe salvation can be lossed. They also sin on purpose. Actually many sin out of fear because they are mentally unstable from not knowing if they have eternal life or not. I know many christians like this.

The thing is .. we are talking about where the ownership of salvation lies. If it's owned by Jesus.. not us.. then there is no way it's getting broken. If it is owned by us.. then it is a very 'yo yo' type of salvation that depends on our behaviour.

But anyways.. I've posted with you on this before and we aint gonna move from our positions so I'll stop here. Blessings.

A person always has the choice of choosing to serve sin or walk away from Christ, both before and after being saved.

No. That's how I feel about your MISREPRESENTATION of the Gospel. You should have repented of this nonsense by now. Christ's supreme and perfect sacrifice was sufficient for ALL MANKIND.

So, I what should have also included in my prior post (but was only on my first cup of coffee), is that the sheep of Matthew 25, 33 - 34, represent exactly the same sheep as identified in my prior post to you, which, were the chosen of God as sheep from before the foundation of the world.

In the following verse (the verse immediately after the one you used as proof text), notice the "for you". So, not only was the kingdom prepared by God from the foundation of the world, but it was prepared for, only for, those of the " for you", and was created for the "for you from the foundation of the world - hope that make sense - if not, let me know and I'll try to clarify. This also means that those whom Jesus was specifically addressing, were of the "for you", too, and if of the "for you", then they were His sheep, which brings us back to Mat 10:16 - that His chosen, from before the foundation of the world, are His sheep.


[Mat 25:33-34 KJV]
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

In the following verse, notice that the "for you" of above - or the "chosen us" of this verse - are they whom God had chosen "before the foundation of the world". So therefore, all sheep were chosen as sheep, from before the foundation of the world.

[Eph 1:4 KJV]
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

No it isn't. But, to preach and teach that a person once a person accepts Christ as Lord and Savior that they can not ever lose their salvation is the same as saying that a person no longer has the free will to choose. A person always has the choice of choosing to serve sin or walk away from Christ, both before and after being saved.

if you do not obey God, then He cannot be Your Personal Author of Eternal Salvation.

What then, are God's Commandments, that must be Obeyed?

He said, DO NOT SIN!
Do NOT LOOK AT A WOMAN in LUST!
there's many here and we both know this.

So, if God says, DO NOT SIN.
and we must Obey in order to have Eternal Salvation.
then each time we SIN, this is being Broken.

so, how can one break the Commands of God through Disobedience and claim they have Eternal Salvation.


i am merely going off this specific Verse, 9, that you have presented.

I believe Jesus spewing someone out of His mouth because of lukewarmness is a good indication of someone losing their salvation.

"To teach against the eternal security of the believer, its an attack on Christ being the Author of Eternal Salvation, which He gives to them He died for Heb 5:9" No it isn't. But, to preach and teach that a person once a person accepts Christ as Lord and Savior that they can not ever lose their salvation is the same as saying that a person no longer has the free will to choose. A person always has the choice of choosing to serve sin or walk away from Christ, both before and after being saved.

i am pretty sure most Christians SIN on Purpose.
agreed, because it happens to me, we do indeed SIN not intentionally.
but this Verse said Those WHO OBEY GOD.
so, this is about the SINS we commit ON PURPOSE.

and many who follow OSAS do SIN, on Purpose, thinking it's already Covered by the BLOOD of Jesus.

the Owner of Salvation said it is ours [[if]] we Obey.

and the ones, who believe otherwise, are Repenting.
unlike the ONEs, who think all sins, were covered the moment they were saved, including, sins not even committed yet. so naturally, each time they sin from that moment on, without Repenting, is only disobeying Verse 9 and NOT OBEYING God.

No,

the owner of salvation is Gods

His death, His promise, His assurance. His gift..