Andy Stanley's Apostasy

This is the logic of human reasoning and understanding. It reminds me of those that mock Christians for saying that Jesus Christ paid their sin debt on the Cross. They simply can't fathom that there is NOTHING they can or have to DO to attain Salvation. And to even try, is trampling on the Blood of Christ.

It bears no resemblance to a Spirit filled child of God, who is greatly disturbed, and feels incredibly repentant because of the grief his sin causes to his Heavenly Father.

And the OSAS peoples all claim he's going to heaven anyway and is still saved even though he is obviosly a false teachers which is living in sin as he draws people away from the Lord to flollow fake OSAS gospel.


It most certainly did!

Simply because... when one becomes a Christian and is baring fruit that they are a Christian.... and at some point this person starts listening to the devil and decides "I'm gay now".... the OSAS peoples have to tell them they are still saved and going to Heaven because if they don't tell them that then they are admitting that OSAS is false doctrine.

So in these situations... the OSAS peoples are stuck as they cannot tell someone who falls in to grievous sin that are no longer saved. This leads to more and more people falling in to grievous sin.

The OSAS people are not taking in to account that many of these folks were not always gay... the devil is recruiting people to become gay and to become gender benders and if one believes in OSAS and that looks good to them... then why shouldn't they let their freak flag fly?


No, a person that is not an adherent to OSAS doctrine.... you tell someone that fell in to sin they better turn away from their sin and confess it before the Lord asking for forgiveness so they can be right with the Lord again... and they would tell them if they don't repent then they will go to hell.

That is the biblical response to someone who is a Christian who falls in to any kind of sin.



There is no debate that OSAS is false doctrine... it's easy to prove that it's false doctrine by the fact that OSAS peoples don't accept all that the Lord has to say about salvation... case closed.


This is true... then sadly the OSAS peoples come along and assure them they they can never ever lose their salvation

If one truly believes in OSAS then they have to accept that the "gay christians" are in fact in right standing with the Lord and will go to Heaven even though they are living in grievous sin.

If they claim these folks are not saved... then they are admitting that OSAS is false doctrine.

One cannot have it both ways.

Welcome back!

Hebrews 6
4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Couldn't get more clear, plain, and straightforward than that. To fall away means they were once fully in. You can deny it till you are blue in the face, but that will not change what the word clearly states.

Apostacy is something that is committed by one who was once saved.

Sidestepping.

Oxymoronic.

They are homosexuals who used to be Christians and then willfully chose to leave the faith. God is not like the guy who chains His dog to a stake in the backyard.

Luke 9:62
“And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.”

Luke 17:32
“Remember Lot's wife.”

Ruff Ruff

His daddy, Charlie Stanley, is very highly respected amongst the OSAS peoples... and he is an authority on OSAS doctrine.

But, he's a heretic too who teaches OSAS doctrine claiming when one sins... their sin is already forgiven even before they committed it and no need to turn away from sin or even ask for forgiveness!

He actually taught one can be a "gay christian" and still go to Heaven proving he is a false teacher!

Here's a video where you can see video of Charlies saying this (just a few minutes into the video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3d9dT6LUqQ

So we see in the video where Charlie Stanley is plainly saying that a "gay christian" is still going to Heaven if they have been saved by the grace of God. This guy is very high respected amongst the OSAS peoples... and he is an authority on OSAS doctrine.

In his book, Eternal Security, Charlie Stanley says

"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy” (Chapter 10, p. 93)

“Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself” (p. 94).

“Believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful” (p. 94)

Time to walk Cam to the dog-patch.

Yeah, I do love Dr. Charles Stanley but this is one major point where I don't agree with him.


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This is more than a disagreement... this is full blown apostasy!

If they man did not ask the Lord to forgive him for teaching false doctrine and then turn away from the false doctrine before he died... he's not in Heaven right now that's for sure.

But of course the OSAS people claim he is in Heaven because in their view one can live in sin and still be saved...

Dear Jimmy, I have some bad news.

You've been talking a lot, and the Bible says there is sin in the multitude of words. (Pr.10:19)

I think you just lost your salvation.




We'll all be praying that you can get your salvation back.

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All sin must be repented of.

Revelation 2:5
“Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.”

Luke 13:3
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”

Matthew 4:17
“From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”


What God has to say about homosexuality...
Romans 1:
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Yes, he did seem to be a nice man otherwise. All I can think of is that he caved into this false doctrine because he feared abandonment by those who supported him financially and by the Baptist Denominational Conference that licensed him to preach. Fear can cause you to do very stupid things. I do hope that He repented on his deathbed.

Pray for those who sat under his ministry.

Lol!

Amazing to see how someone can miss the massive hypocrisy of their statements!

This guy believes that unless you confess every sin, up until the split second of death, Jesus's Blood didn't pay for your sin.

Not only that, but he fails to think that many believe HE is preaching heresy by saying Jesus's sacrifice is insufficient. And that it is HIS efforts that keep him saved!

Hey Jimmy, what's the last sin you committed?

From the sermons I've heard from him, he said a pastor preach on it (around the time he was at college I think) and it clicked and made sense to him, making him feel free. He said that before that sermon, following God was stressful for him.

Every time I come across one of his sermons on that, I just watch or read something else.

I don't think he's lost his salvation though. He's been pretty loyal to the Lord and loving Him otherwise. Which makes me wonder if we have to believe absolutely EVERYTHING to be saved or just believe that what Jesus did on the cross saves us? I would have to think it's the latter.


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Paul asks a rhetorical question, why not? and I trust then tells us exactly why not (which has nothing to do with "because we'll lose our salvation" but more to do with actually being saved).

That's right, Ed. Repentance is not optional. It is not wise to live on the edge. We need to grow and put down roots. Mature and graduate from being a milksop.

James 1:8
“A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.”

We are not dicussing Jesus' sacrifice here. We are all in agreement that it is sufficient. We are discussing men's willful sin and complete disregard for what Jesus did.

Wrong question. The problem is neglect to confess and repent at day's end.

Complicated. I don't want to be the Judge. Jesus knows the heart, yet... to whom much is given, much is required. He was in a position of leadership and is accountable for leading others astray.