So you believe "christians" can be gay and still be in right standing with the Lord after they have been born again?
I NEVER said this and why would you ask me that question?
You do know the Lord published a list of things people can do that will cause them to not inherit the Kingdom of God and the Lord never said "... unless one is a believer then they will still be righteous even throw they are living in sin "
1 Corinthians 6:9 - Do you not know that the
unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And
such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
*Verses 9 and 10 are 'descriptive' of the
unrighteous and not the righteous.
Galatians 5:19 - Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told
you in time past, that
those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 John 3:9 -
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this
the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who
does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who
does not love his brother.
OSAS teachers such as Andy and Charlie Stanley are a stumbling block to many.... greasy grace changers encourages people to just go ahead and keep living in sin and then listen to the false teachers who continually tell them it's not possible for on to lose their salvation!
Although you can find nut case preachers in both the OSAS and NOSAS camp, I've never heard a legitimate OSAS preacher actually "encourage" people to just go ahead and keep living in sin. My Pastor certainly DOES NOT teach that. Now although I'm not a regular listener of Charles Stanley, I have listened to some of his sermons on TV in the past and I've never heard him actually "encourage" people to just keep living in sin/live like the devil etc.. Sounds like a straw man argument to me. You sound like an extremist who enjoys attacking OSAS believers. I really don't appreciate straw man arguments and/or false accusations. You need to be fair and honest. Now just because certain people in the NOSAS camp teach salvation by works and sinless perfection, I don't unfairly accuse everyone in the NOSAS camp of teaching that as well.
I know NOSAS teachers who are a stumbling block to many by telling them that salvation is obtained by works and is also maintained by works and/or sinless perfection. Salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works or sinless perfection. (Ephesians 2:8,9; 1 John 1:8-10) Such people who buy into that false gospel end up living their life on a tight rope believing at any moment they can fall off and lose their salvation. I once knew a man who was absolutely miserable, believing that every time he messed up, even in the smallest way that he lost his salvation and had to regain it all over again. He attended a radical Pentecostal style church. I actually saw him in tears once, convinced he lost his salvation because he got into an argument with his wife over the kids and they yelled at each other. Show me a married couple who has never once been in an argument, and I'll show you two liars.
And yet all the OSAS teachers keep claiming that if one lives in sin they shall still be saved.
Define "lives in sin." Are you talking about practicing sin, lifestyle or bent of life, or sinless perfection?
If the young man had no personal relationship with Jesus and was living a lifestyle of sin (practicing sin) then he obviously was not saved in the first place. We need to be careful with church labels too. Not all Baptist churches teach the exact same doctrine.
