Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

Mark 3:28-29 / Matthew 12:31-32 / Luke 12:10

Yes, after being born here on Club Earth.... all have fallen short of God's glory and have sinned so getting born again is the first step to enter in to a personal relationship with the Lord.

And, those that endure unto the end of their lives abiding IN Christ barring fruit... will actually be saved.

None of have been saved in the literal sense yet as none of us have left Club Earth and have been granted admittance in to the presence of the Lord.

Some folks go south when they die and sadly don't make it.

Did you notice, selahsays, that romans11333 likes to make sweeping biblical edicts and criticisms, yet he almost never ties them to specific chapter and verse so we all can see exactly what he's referring to? It's easy to win arguments by twisting the Bible into vague generalizations, and yet not allow others the opportunity to examine (his) assumptions in detail.

False statement. Yet its Gods choice Ps 100:3

3 Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

Your false statement would mean, the Sheep made themselves !

The "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is mentioned in Mark 3:22-30 and Matthew 12:22-32. This case of "the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" in Matthew 12:31 is a specific one. In Matthew 12:31-32, the Pharisees (who were not Christians), having witnessed irrefutable proof that Jesus was working miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit, claimed instead that the Lord was possessed by the demon "Beelzebub." (Matthew 12:24) Notice in Mark 3:30 that Jesus is very specific about what they did to commit "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit." They said, "He has an unclean spirit." These Pharisees were obviously not believers to commit this unpardonable sin. What is unpardonable for us today is the state of continued unbelief. (John 3:18)

Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty.

Amen! Preach it sister! Psalm 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Their very natures are corrupt even from their infancy.

There are certain folks on Christian forum sites who (in craftly lawyer fashion) are out to win their case at all costs, whatever it takes, no matter how much trickery, deceit, rhetoric and propaganda that it takes. Some of these folks really seem to enjoy stirring up contention and even exhibit troll behavior. Sadly, such folks just don't have anything better to do with their time.

"There will always be more horses behinds than there are horses"
perhaps?

Like life itself with the adversary in it, soon he and minions will be chained.

Thank you, brother. Yes, they turn away from the truth to their own destruction.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge …

- Hosea 4:6 (KJV)

So when Jesus said those who are born again will never perish,. but has eternal Life he did nto mean it??

have you ever actually studied John 3?

Modern day phariseeism at its best.

Just like the pharisees, These legalists would crucify Christ. Because Christ would reject them

In Adam ALL DIE..

Sorry Bro.. You have some studying to do

Original sin is not a Calvinist doctrine.. its a bibluical doctrine.

We are born seperated from God.. and because of this, by practice. we are sinners.
I see, another one who hates calvin, Hey guess what? I hate his double fatalistic doctrine also.

But eternal security (what some call OSAS) is found in the word..

Dont reject Gods word because you have a certain doctrine. or group of people
If you truly accepted him, He not only gave you the promise you will never perish. But that you have eternal life. You have been given every spiritual blessing, You have been sealed by the spirit, and you have been given victory over sin

Howwever, i do not see yuo claim any of these promises.. So I question your faith

Well fortunately for the rest of us Grace believers. we do not teach this. nor condone it.

lol. All your sin was future when Christ died. if he did not die for your future sin. Your lost once you commit that sin with no hope of atonment.

Without the shedding of blood. there is no forgiveness.

Jesus either died for all of your sin, Or you are lost.

For them who advocate the false teaching that a true believer may apostatize from Christ do but show they know nothing about Salvation. The True believer isnt that person born of the flesh, but that which is born of God, the incorruptible seed as Per 1 Pet 1:23

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

The word incorruptible is aphthartos :

1. uncorrupted, not liable to corruption or decay, imperishable
   1. of things
2. immortal
   1. of the risen dead

So quite frankly this born again one can never perish,

So he cannot never apostatize, for he is Christs seed, not adams !

Thats not talking about saved people, born again people. That refers to people in the nation of israel, most of that nation were unregenerate, they were Gods People merely by a Physical National Covenant, did you know that ?

Modern day Pharisaism, legalism, self-promotion, self-righteousness and spiritual narcissism are a cancer to Christianity.

And the calvin debate just pulls people away from God.. It keeps them from the truth.. I believe both sides are a cancer

Now he that is born of God cannot sin, meaning he cannot commit the sin of falling away, because he or she is born of God, and is Christs Spiritual Seed. 1 Jn 3:9

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 Jn 5:18

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

I disagree with every point you made. You believe that because you believe you stay saved by YOUR power, I disagree completely. Jesus gets ALL glory for my salvation and I get NONE. This is where we are at an impasse, you believe it's up to YOU to keep salvation, I trust in Jesus power to keep mine, that's the difference. You deny Gods power in order to booster your own ego honestly. I'm sure it doesn't feel like that to you, it didn't to me when I thought this way, but when you break it down in all honesty, that's your position here, and why I cannot agree anymore.

BTW when you "add" but that doesn't mean I can't choose to fall away", that's exactly what it is, adding to scripture. His word doesn't add that qualifier.

Absolutely, and not because of ANYTHING "WE" do, ALL by His power, therefore He gets ALL glory. That sure seems to fit all the scripture in harmony to my mind.