Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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That is speaking of our habits... that we developed as we grew older.
No child was born with sinful habits because God did not create anybody to be a sinner.
Even all this aside... once one becomes born again... we are supposed to no longer have a sinful nature or sinful habits and desires.
Galatians 5:16
Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Sadly most churches / preachers to day teach as Christians... we are still sinners and we cannot help but to continue in sin, every day, cause we are still sorry no good worms in the dirt. These people have NOT been born again and they certainly need to quit listing to the devil!
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Matthew 18:3
Verily I say unto you, unless you are converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. (See Ephesians 5:1 - Be imitators of God, as dear children)
2 Corinthians 6:16,17
And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God; as God has said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people....Therefore come out from among them, and be separate, says the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. (in the OT see: Exodus 29:45-46, Ezekiel 37:27)
Romans 12:1,2 (see James 4:4 - whosoever will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God – WARNING!)
I declare to you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your body a living sacrifice, Holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service....and be not conformed to this world (see James 4:4): but be transformed by the renewing of your mind (understanding, vision), that you may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
1 Corinthians 6:19, 20
Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own....for you are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1 Peter 1:13-16
Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ… As obedient children, not fashioning (agreeing with) yourself according to the former lusts in your ignorance… But as He which has called you is holy, so be yourself holy in all manner of lifestyle… Because it is written, Be holy; for I am holy.
2 Corinthians 5:17-21
If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; L00K, all things are become new.
And all things are of God, Who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ, and has given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To know, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be reconciled to God.
For He has made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not
1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1 John 2:1
I write these things unto you, that ye sin not
No child was born with sinful habits because God did not create anybody to be a sinner.
Even all this aside... once one becomes born again... we are supposed to no longer have a sinful nature or sinful habits and desires.
Galatians 5:16
Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Sadly most churches / preachers to day teach as Christians... we are still sinners and we cannot help but to continue in sin, every day, cause we are still sorry no good worms in the dirt. These people have NOT been born again and they certainly need to quit listing to the devil!
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Matthew 18:3
Verily I say unto you, unless you are converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. (See Ephesians 5:1 - Be imitators of God, as dear children)
2 Corinthians 6:16,17
And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God; as God has said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people....Therefore come out from among them, and be separate, says the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. (in the OT see: Exodus 29:45-46, Ezekiel 37:27)
Romans 12:1,2 (see James 4:4 - whosoever will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God – WARNING!)
I declare to you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your body a living sacrifice, Holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service....and be not conformed to this world (see James 4:4): but be transformed by the renewing of your mind (understanding, vision), that you may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
1 Corinthians 6:19, 20
Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own....for you are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1 Peter 1:13-16
Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ… As obedient children, not fashioning (agreeing with) yourself according to the former lusts in your ignorance… But as He which has called you is holy, so be yourself holy in all manner of lifestyle… Because it is written, Be holy; for I am holy.
2 Corinthians 5:17-21
If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; L00K, all things are become new.
And all things are of God, Who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ, and has given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To know, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be reconciled to God.
For He has made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not
1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1 John 2:1
I write these things unto you, that ye sin not
No, that's came UPON all men... doesn't say we were born sinners, that God put sin in every baby.
If one believes Romans 5:12 means all people were automatically born sinners because Adam's sin.... then we must also believe Romans 5:18-21 means because of what Jesus did... all men are automatically saved now.
Romans 5:18-21
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of One the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to everyone.
These 2 scriptures lead some to embrace universalism
If one believes Romans 5:12 means all people were automatically born sinners because Adam's sin.... then we must also believe Romans 5:18-21 means because of what Jesus did... all men are automatically saved now.
Romans 5:18-21
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of One the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to everyone.
These 2 scriptures lead some to embrace universalism
If one believes Romans 5:12 means all people were automatically born sinners because Adam's sin.... then we must also believe Romans 5:18-21 means because of what Jesus did... all men are automatically saved now.
Unless... unless... they believe Romans 5:18-21 is not true???
Is this you? Believing Romans 5:18-21 is not true???
Unless... unless... they believe Romans 5:18-21 is not true???
Is this you? Believing Romans 5:18-21 is not true???
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Are you someone who did not require a Spiritual rebirth??? Your heart did not need to be circumcised? .
John 3:3 Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”
Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb; the liars go astray from birth.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and
death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned.
Ecclesiastes 7:20 Surely there is no righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.
Romans 3:10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one.
Ephesians 2:3 All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh
and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
1 John 1:10 If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.
Job 14:4 Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one!
Job 15:14 What is man, that he should be pure, or one born of woman, that he should be righteous?
Proverbs 22:15 Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline drives it far from him.
John 3:3 Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”
Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb; the liars go astray from birth.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and
death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned.
Ecclesiastes 7:20 Surely there is no righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.
Romans 3:10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one.
Ephesians 2:3 All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh
and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
1 John 1:10 If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.
Job 14:4 Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one!
Job 15:14 What is man, that he should be pure, or one born of woman, that he should be righteous?
Proverbs 22:15 Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline drives it far from him.
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My understanding of this is that the saints/elect that were chosen before the foundation of the world will always stay true and faithful to the LORD. They may fall short at times, but they will never turn their back on Jesus. In the end times, they’re the ones who, when delivered up to the AC (Satan), the Holy Spirit will speak through. I personally believe that every born again believer is of the elect.
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
- Romans 8:33 (KJV)
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
- Romans 8:33 (KJV)
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Interesting interpretation.
Why does Paul say in Ro 11 "the elect obtained but the rest were hardened"--and he goes about to save the non-elect branches who did not obtain and weren't elect? Why does he say God can graft the unelect branches in if they believe? Why does he grant that non elect can believe?
Why does he teach the "elect" branches that were grafted in by faith can also be cut off for unbelief--and isn't that what happened to the Galatians?
Why does Paul say in Ro 11 "the elect obtained but the rest were hardened"--and he goes about to save the non-elect branches who did not obtain and weren't elect? Why does he say God can graft the unelect branches in if they believe? Why does he grant that non elect can believe?
Why does he teach the "elect" branches that were grafted in by faith can also be cut off for unbelief--and isn't that what happened to the Galatians?
Wait, if all men weren't born into sin, are you saying Christ died for just the portion of humanity? He's not the Savior? "Look unto Me all the end of the earth and be saved"?
"All" are born into Adam, and share in his sin and death; likewise, "all" who share in Christ benefit from His righteousness and life. This isn't universalism.
"All" are born into Adam, and share in his sin and death; likewise, "all" who share in Christ benefit from His righteousness and life. This isn't universalism.
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Those hardened were those stubborn unbelievers. God put ‘em in a stupor.
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
- Romans 11:7-11 (KJV)
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
- Romans 11:7-11 (KJV)
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Those hardened were those stubborn unbelievers. God put ‘em in a stupor.
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
- Romans 11:7-11 (KJV)
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
- Romans 11:7-11 (KJV)
Why does Paul say in Ro 11 "the elect obtained but the rest were hardened"--and yet he then goes about to save the "non-elect" branches who did not obtain and weren't "elect"? Why does he say God can graft these "non elect" branches in if they believe? Why does he grant that "non elect" can believe?
And why does he teach the "elect" branches that were grafted in by faith can also be cut off for unbelief--and isn't that what happened to the Galatians?
And why does he teach the "elect" branches that were grafted in by faith can also be cut off for unbelief--and isn't that what happened to the Galatians?
1. The Gentiles he's referring to are "grafted in" by faith, but they can fall away from unbelief. Are you granting someone can have faith even if they're not elect?
2. They Jews who were "not elect", because they didn't obtain, yet Paul is seeking to save them. Clearly, then, "non elect" doesn't mean "can't be saved", right?
2. They Jews who were "not elect", because they didn't obtain, yet Paul is seeking to save them. Clearly, then, "non elect" doesn't mean "can't be saved", right?