Works Complete Faith?

If what you propose is right, then the Pharisees would have had to be believers. They are the audience Jesus is speaking to.

Yup I was right. There is some kind of bizarre hyper-Armenian doctrine going down behind all of the bafflegab and bluster.

Believing and then unbelieving, salvation and then condemnation........flipping on and off like a strobe light.

Time for the ignore button bye-bye.

That's not the issue--the issue is that Romans 7 is not about believers, but describes the life of a Jew under the Law prior to Christ.

Except, of course it IS about "believers" Paul was one, and he STILL STRUGGLED with his flesh.

You must think highly of yourself if you equate your personal faith to the faith of Jesus Christ. My faith is weak and pathetic and could never justify. Daily, I fall short of the glory of God. It is only by Christ's faith that I am justified.

Christians are to walk in faith not merely have faith and there is an ongoing judgment and justification that relies on walking in faith

If your faith is weak and pathetic, it obviously is not the gift of God.

Romans 14
1Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions.

Ti 3:7
That being justified by His grace, We should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Justified once and for all by His grace. What did you think? There was some other way?

Do you feel better now?

Except, of course it IS about "believers" Paul was one, and he STILL STRUGGLED with his flesh.

Was the Pharisees the audience He was speaking to? Or were they part of a bigger crowd?

Who was Jesus speaking to before the Pharisees addressed him?

22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the [d]blind and mute man both spoke and saw. 23 And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”
24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by [e]Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”
25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

The Unpardonable Sin
31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone whospeaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

I’m thinking when Jesus says anyone that covers more than Pharisees.

If only believers can commit the unpardonable sin, the Pharisees would have to be amongst the believers. They were the ones who leveled the charge.

and forfeited the promise (in their case, it was Canaan, in our case, it is eternal life in Christ), because they sinned--

Except, of course it IS about "believers" Paul was one, and he STILL STRUGGLED with his flesh.

That's about it for me. Bye-bye fella.

Please point me to where I have explained my view of Romans 14:23.

Oh? You can't?

Then just how is it I am trying wave Romans 14:23 away?

I gave some context. Period. You disagree with Scripture.

@Magenta @mailmandan @TheDivineWatermark @Cameron143 @cv51. Does God condemn "sin", or is God unrighteous? Don't we need forgiveness--and doesn't that mean we sin not just "condemn ourselves"?

2. Even if you wanted to argue, "No, it's about him bringing condemnation on himself", remember that this "self condemnation" is by destroying his brother by misleading his brother to destroy his own conscience by encouraging them to practice what their own conscience cannot allow them to practice. This destruction of your brother is ALSO a sin against God, destroying God's work, which is a real sin, as well, and leads to God condemning the sinning Christian who is destroying his brother.

There's no way out of the reading I have espoused--the sinning Christian is condemned by God.

That doesn't mean I have it all together, or that everyone should follow me, it just means I am saying what the text is saying.

Christians have forfeited eternal life because they sinned?

If "true faith produces good works" were true

the Corinthians would never have been living in sin.

However, can we stick to the texts?

How does Paul say Christians who sin (by doing what they doubt is correct) are "condemned" and not "justified"?