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all throughout the Tanakh, that included specifically the Prophets, the term ""Son of Man," which is God as a Man, is a prophecy in the Old Testament.

and Jesus said it 80 times to say this is ME, I Am the Son of Man.

that Alone, is Jesus, saying He is their Prophesy of God Coming to them.

Here is JESUS, the Gospel of Mark, calling Himself, Son of Man, and prophesying of His Own Death and Crucifixion.

45 For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
No. For Jesus is God's Anointed.
 
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I'm asking you for at least the third time, did Abraham see God or not?
Genesis 18:1-10 NASB20 - Now the LORD appeared to Abraham by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day. When he raised his eyes and looked, behold, three men were standing opposite him; and when he saw [them,] he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed down to the ground, and said, "My Lord, if now I have found favor in Your sight, please do not pass Your servant by. "Please let a little water be brought and wash your feet, and make yourselves comfortable under the tree; and I will bring a piece of bread, so that you may refresh yourselves; after that you may go on, since you have visited your servant." And they said, "So do as you have said." So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah, and said, "Quickly, prepare three measures of fine flour, knead [it,] and make bread cakes." Abraham also ran to the herd, and took a tender and choice calf and gave [it] to the servant, and he hurried to prepare it. He took curds and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and set [it] before them; and he was standing by them under the tree as they ate. Then they said to him, "Where is your wife Sarah?" And he said, "There, in the tent." He said, "I will certainly return to you at this time next year; and behold, your wife Sarah will have a son." And Sarah was listening at the tent door, which was behind him.
 

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I do not agree with the Trinity doctrine. I do not believe that Jesus is God. But in Revelation there is the Alpha and the Omega.
I do not believe in a trinity but I believe there is one God who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title for God, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.

But Jesus is God for He is the exact image of the invisible God which is the only way we can see Him.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

God was manifest in the flesh, and the Son, the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of Him.

No person can see God unless He shows us a visible image of Himself which He did as Jesus Christ.

Jesus is God and man.

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

God gave us His own human body.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

There was no God formed before, or after God, and Jesus is God manifest in flesh so He is God.

Jesus is from everlasting which means He has no beginning.

Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Melchizedek did not have a mother or father, without natural decent, having not beginning of days, or end of life, but was made like unto the Son of God which is a visible manifestation of God.

Jesus is a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec because He is a visible manifestation of God.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Jesus dwells in the light which no person can approach unto, and no person can see Jesus, and no person will ever see Him because He is an invisible Spirit but He showed us a visible manifestation of Himself.

Jesus is God.
 
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I do not believe in a trinity but I believe there is one God who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title for God, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.

But Jesus is God for He is the exact image of the invisible God which is the only way we can see Him.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

God was manifest in the flesh, and the Son, the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of Him.

No person can see God unless He shows us a visible image of Himself which He did as Jesus Christ.

Jesus is God and man.

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

God gave us His own human body.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

There was no God formed before, or after God, and Jesus is God manifest in flesh so He is God.

Jesus is from everlasting which means He has no beginning.

Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Melchizedek did not have a mother or father, without natural decent, having not beginning of days, or end of life, but was made like unto the Son of God which is a visible manifestation of God.

Jesus is a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec because He is a visible manifestation of God.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Jesus dwells in the light which no person can approach unto, and no person can see Jesus, and no person will ever see Him because He is an invisible Spirit but He showed us a visible manifestation of Himself.

Jesus is God.
No.

See John 17:5.

John 17:5 NASB20 - "And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.
 
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That is not true. In the TaNaKh there are references to son of man that do not mean what you are saying.
you mean Ezekiel? why do you think God called His prophet that and then showed how the real Son of Man would be the Completion of the Temple?

why did Daniel prophesy His "Son of Man" Coming from Heaven to Earth like Jesus did?
 

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No.

See John 17:5.

John 17:5 NASB20 - "And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.
it seems as if you have set your mind that Jesus was not God in the flesh.

so, if that is the case, what is the point of talking with others about a choice you have made and set in stone??
 
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you mean Ezekiel? why do you think God called His prophet that and then showed how the real Son of Man would be the Completion of the Temple?

why did Daniel prophesy His "Son of Man" Coming from Heaven to Earth like Jesus did?
John 17:5 NASB20 - "And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.

I don't know how to answer you.
 
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it seems as if you have set your mind that Jesus was not God in the flesh.

so, if that is the case, what is the point of talking with others about a choice you have made and set in stone??
I talk with people to share and to learn.

I desire to understand so that I can help.

I don't know where you arrived at your conclusion from. I don't remember saying that anywhere on this website, or even in my life. Jesus is not God. But Jesus is the Son of God. The fullness of Deity dwells in Him in bodily form.

John 17:5 NASB20 - "And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.

Colossians 2:9 NASB20 - For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
 
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And it also says…

Psalms
50:6
And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.
Psalm 58:11
So that a man shall say, Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth

So who’s going to do the judging? Jesus or God.
 
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And it also says…

Psalms
50:6
And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.
Psalm 58:11
So that a man shall say, Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth

So who’s going to do the judging? Jesus or God.
God. But God appointed Jesus to be the Judge.