I am a Christian who does not accept or follow Christianity.

[JacobMartinMertens]

and this is what i have thought all along. and how you believe, caused me to think in different terms because normally someone who rejects Jesus, does it by being a Member of certain Churches. but you do it because you read the Bible, and this is what all those words mean to you. and you see no reason to change.

have you been filled with Holy Spirit and Water Baptized in a Church?

I have been water baptized in a Plymouth Brethren Church. But I am not a dispensationalist or a Plymouth Brethren. I am a Christian.

I don't know about being filled with the Holy Spirit. Maybe.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Zechariah 12:10 RSV - "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a first-born.

Zechariah 12:10 BBE - And I will send down on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem the spirit of grace and of prayer; and their eyes will be turned to the one who was wounded by their hands: and they will be weeping for him as for an only son, and their grief for him will be bitter, like the grief of one sorrowing for his oldest son.

the real key to this Verse, is the one before it.

It's an ACT of WAR by God to fulfill Verse 10:

Verse 9:
וְהָיָ֖ה בַּיּ֣וֹם הַה֑וּא אֲבַקֵּ֗שׁ לְהַשְׁמִיד֙ אֶת־כׇּל־הַגּוֹיִ֔ם הַבָּאִ֖ים עַל־יְרוּשָׁלָֽ͏ִם׃
In that day I will all but annihilate all the nations that came up against Jerusalem.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Matthew 1:23​

they shall call His name Immanuel, ​

which is translated, "God with us."​

​

the Word is God and He pitched His tent among us.
hence Immanuel.

I don't know. I am not sure. I know that this is your interpretation. But I don't see it to be true.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I have been water baptized in a Plymouth Brethren Church. But I am not a dispensationalist or a Plymouth Brethren. I am a Christian.

I don't know about being filled with the Holy Spirit. Maybe.

i will pray for you to be Filled with the Spirit of God, in case you are not.
Having the Spirit of God, living inside of you, will make you also see the Bible differently.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

i will pray for you to be Filled with the Spirit of God in case you are not.
Having the Spirit of God living inside of you will make you also see the Bible differently.

Thank you.

 

[Cameron143]

I don't know.

Then you might not actually KNOW Jesus. I don't say this to denigrate you in any way. My concern is that many here have shown you who Jesus is...and you still don't know. That should give you pause.

 

[posthuman]

If there is a difference I try not to make a doctrine out of it.

That's a good rule of thumb


The thing about the Godhood of Christ is that it is not by any means whatsoever confined to a couple of verses that objections could be raised to. it's all over the Bible

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Then you might not actually KNOW Jesus. I don't say this to denigrate you in any way. My concern is that many here have shown you who Jesus is...and you still don't know. That should give you pause.

I have declared who Jesus is. I know that Jesus is Lord. Etc.... God made Him Lord.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Thank you.

it's My honor to Pray for you to be Filled with God's Holy Spirit, Brother!

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

That's a good rule of thumb


The thing about the Godhood of Christ is that it is not by any means whatsoever confined to a couple of verses that objections could be raised to. it's all over the Bible

I don't believe in that doctrine.

 

[Cameron143]

or.

would provide Himself:
a Lamb



The Lamb gave Himself

A better rendering...yes.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

it's My honor to Pray for you to be Filled with God's Holy Spirit, Brother!

Thank you.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Thank you.

You're Welcome!

 

[posthuman]

I don't know. I am not sure. I know that this is your interpretation. But I don't see it to be true.

That's what Matthew actually says.
he gives the meaning of the name Immanuel.

and John 1 is very clear that The Word was God and that The Word dwelt among us - that phrase translated as 'dwelt' literally meaning 'pitched His tent'

i didn't give you an interpretation but the plain text, in that post.

Jesus is called God with us, tho no one ever called Him by the name Immanuel.
so why does the angel say this?

Jesus is The Word, He was God from the beginning, and He took up residence on earth among mankind.

this is not a matter of interpretation but of belief.

 

[Cameron143]

I have declared who Jesus is. I know that Jesus is Lord. Etc.... God made Him Lord.

You know the words to say. But there is a coming of Jesus to His people that is every bit as real, if not more so, than His coming in the flesh. And in this coming, He makes Himself known to His people. This is what is entailed in Him saying...I know My sheep and My sheep know me. It isn't an acknowledgement of who Jesus is, it is an experience of who He is.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

That's what Matthew actually says.

It's believed that Matthew was originally written in Hebrew - so it's rather interesting that he points out what the name Immanuel means to Hebrew speakers.

and John 1 is very clear that The Word was God and that The Word dwelt among us - that phrase translated as 'dwelt' literally meaning 'pitched His tent'

i didn't give you an interpretation but the plain text, in that post.

You are not being clear. I don't know what post your that post is. Sorry.

Zechariah 12:10 RSV - "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a first-born.

Zechariah 12:10 BBE - And I will send down on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem the spirit of grace and of prayer; and their eyes will be turned to the one who was wounded by their hands: and they will be weeping for him as for an only son, and their grief for him will be bitter, like the grief of one sorrowing for his oldest son.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

That's what Matthew actually says.
he gives the meaning of the name Immanuel.

and John 1 is very clear that The Word was God and that The Word dwelt among us - that phrase translated as 'dwelt' literally meaning 'pitched His tent'

i didn't give you an interpretation but the plain text, in that post.

Jesus is called God with us, tho no one ever called Him by the name Immanuel.
Jesus is The Word, He was God from the beginning, and He took up residence on earth among mankind.

this is not a matter of interpretation but of belief.

It is my belief that Jesus is the Son of God.

 

[posthuman]

I don't believe in that doctrine.

well i mean that leaves me with only a couple possible analyses:

1. you don't believe the Bible
2. you don't understand the Bible

i invite you to browse the omnibus "Christ is God" thread. at least get a picture of the scope of how many passages show He is God, because it really is not just a handful of disputable texts, and if you take the time to go dig, you will find that almost all the ones you think are disputable really aren't.


CHRIST IS GOD




it is for people like you and people like the others in this thread trying to reason with you that i made that thread, to collect in one place a repository of information in one place.

thank you @Magenta sis for so often using it and sharing it as intended

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

well i mean that leaves me with only a couple possible analyses:

1. you don't believe the Bible
2. you don't understand the Bible

i invite you to browse the omnibus "Christ is God" thread. at least get a picture of the scope of how many passages show He is God, because it really is not just a handful of disputable texts, and if you take the time to go dig, you will find that almost all the ones you think are disputable really aren't.


CHRIST IS GOD




it is for people like you and people like the others in this thread trying to reason with you that i made that thread, to collect in one place a repository of information in one place.

thank you @Magenta sis for so often using it and sharing it as intended

Shalom.

Yeshua HaMashiach.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Who was Jesus before He became flesh?

John 1 covers that. He was THE WORD.

[/quote] why did He stop doing what He was doing and then came as Jesus?[/quote]

To be the perfect SIN OFFERING, whereby those that put their FAITH in Him would be cleansed of their SIN and be Saved.

He was doing one thing in Heaven and then did something entirely different on Earth.

Yup - Creator first, and then Messiah/Savior.