In heaven we will have a body of flesh and blood. Very interesting because angels can take on human form

Which body was Jesus in when He appeared to the disciples after His resurrection?

Not at all… But surely we can agree that His divinity was altered a bit.

His flesh body… the same body he was in prior… Lazarus died and was risen.. What body was he risen in? The same body he had prior, his natural flesh body.

If it was altered, wouldn't that constitute a change?

Lazarus wasn't the firstborn from the dead. He had His glorified body.

Yes…. He was made a little lower than the angels..
He said He did not know the time, nor did the angels, only God.
Matthew 8:24
And, behold, there arose a great tempest in the sea, insomuch that the ship was covered with the waves: but he was asleep
Psalms 121:4 Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep

Paul said we have to bodies… Celestial and Terrestrial.

Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.”

The body of the glory of the Lord is the celestial body. It is not a flesh body with super powers.

I'm not trying to get you in trouble here, but are you suggesting Jesus isn't God?

He was able to eat but also go through walls. What body is that?

What scripture says Jesus walked through walls?

No sir… I’m suggesting if I fill up my bathtub with water I can take a bath… and If I scoop up a cup of water from my bathtub, I can’t take a bath in my cup, even though the water is the same… But I can always pour my cup of water back into the bathtub.

I'm struggling to follow the argument. What is the point of saying God doesn't change? Jesus did change? Jesus is only a portion of God?

i do not agree with the modern prevailing kenosis theory.
i think the evidence is that He set aside His glory, not His deity. deity is a function of 'ousia' - His substance, or essence,and tgat cannot be changed, else ((among other things)) we contradict Hebrews 12:8 - He is not the same if He is not-God and the be ones-God.
we might as well be Mormons if we thought that, ha!

so in John 17 He prays, glorify Me, not deify me

I don’t believe Jesus is a portion of God, I believe He is God. But He was limited while in the flesh…
He is no longer limited, thus He is now in His spiritual body, and God is spirit.

and Lazarus would die again, but Jesus only died because He Himself purposefully laid down His life.

the obvious question i have is why bother raising the flesh of Lazarus at all? and immediately prior to that saying "I AM the Resurrection. .. do you believe this? "
if the resurrection is physical, this makes perfect sense. but if it is only spiritual, then what He does raising the flesh of Lazarus takes on an air of deceit.

If i follow correctly, he's arguing that:

• Christ is God
• God is spirit
• therefore Christ in heaven is not flesh

The objection i have in that, is that Christ ((God)) appeared in the flesh, died in the flesh and rose in the flesh - we agree on all that.
so if the argument is that He is spirit and doesn't change, why wouldn't i also argue that He never takes on flesh? or that He never ceases to have flesh?

so i am thinking, "doesn't change" isn't referencing His incarnation but other aspects, like His essence, His personhood, His character... because we have problems with His incarnation and His death and His resurrection and His ascension otherwise, or we might wind up denying His deity. Hebrews 12:8 prevents that because it says He's the same yesterday today forever - OGAG, once God always God hehehe

over the last couple of months i listened to a couple hundred hours of a seminary class on church history. one key takeaway was that the church over time has two main branches, the Eastern and Western divisions of the Roman Empire. the RCC and the Protestants are out of the Western traditon, and the Orthodox churches & arguably, messianic groups, are out of the East.

there is a fundamental difference in approach to theology between the two - for some complicated reasons: the West approaches the deep mysteries of the Bible by trying to figure them out and giving various explanations. the East simply accepts them as mysteries and wonders at them.

i'm beginning to think we both have something to learn from each other ((!!!))

Why do you think Adam could have lived forever without eating from the Tree of Life?

He was of the natural world and would have required a Spiritual rebirth just as we do.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it .

Hell of a question….. The most prominent thing that came out of raising Lazarus was…
John 11:45 "Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on Him."
This would also give more evidence that Christ was God…
In verse John 11:25 "Jesus said unto her, "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"

Now this is nothing to hang your hat on, but when you see the words “I am” the implications of that statement is Jesus claiming to be God.

For example…

John 8:58-59
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. (KJV)

Jesus was/is God and He stated so. While it is somewhat obscured in our English translations, the Jews knew full well that Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh (for Jesus spoke to everyone in their native tongue, therefore when Jesus told them in Hebrew that He was the "I AM," what He was saying was 'EHaYEH , or the title fully stated 'EhaYEH aSHER 'EYaYEH which means: I AM THAT I AM, or I will be what I want to be –— I exist (by self), self existent, God Almighty, created by none, but simply became –— was –— is. To this day, Jews will not pronounce 'EHaYEH , for they reason that for a Hebrew in the Hebrew tongue, to say the name 'EHaYEH, is itself calling oneself God.

It is kind of like if our name in English for God was something like "I Am God," then for us to pronounce His name would be to call oneself God (or so the Jews suppose, anyway). But the Lord said "..this [I AM THAT I AM] is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations" (Ex 3:15), so why wouldn't they call Him that? Jews today call God "Hashem" (meaning: "The Name"), and write His name as G-d.

Another reason one might look at is the following…From TSO

John 11:43 "And when He thus had spoken, He cried with a loud voice, "Lazarus, come forth."

There were two miracles that happened here, don't miss either of them.

John 11:44 "And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. And Jesus said, Loose him, and let him go."

Lazarus was bound like a mummy and in the style that the dead were wrapped, they simply cannot walk. Jesus called and not only did the Lazarus come to life and come forth, but the Spirit of God brought him forth, for Lazarus could not have walked. He did not see where he was going because his face was covered and bound with a napkin.

The real priesthood was loosed, and freed, for all those that have the eyes to see and ears to hear the word of God. This is not a parable, or any story, it is a fact to point out to us that in Christ there is no death, there is no sting of the grave, but victory that will never end. It is eternal life that doesn't look for any rapture, or soul sleep of the dead.

John 11:45 "Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on Him."

Like I said… Hell of a question…it’s a lot going on here.. 🤔

Job spoke of knowing that his Redeemer lives.
Job 19:25-6
But I know that my Redeemer lives, and in the end He will stand upon the earth. 26Even after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God.