There will be no Rapture!!!

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John146

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As it is stated…

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
He's the only one that ascended. All others were caught up by God. Man cannot ascend to heaven, they must be caught up by God.
 

ewq1938

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i apologize if i did that!

but why it is important, to ME, they are Genetic Jews, they will be [in my opinion] the Ones preaching to the Jews and every Nations of people who Convert to Jesus.

I don't see anything about the 144k preaching to anyone.
 
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As it is stated…

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
the Two Witnesses have been in Heaven since the resurrection of Jesus, well, Elijah was Rapture'd, but this time he will return and then Ascend.
 
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I don't see anything about the 144k preaching to anyone.
Agreed!

But, however they are used as Servants for God, it has to RESULT in fulfilling God's Purpose.
Seems like God's Purpose has been for CREATION to make Him their God.
So, it seems, like whatever the 144k are doing, it is towards the Purpose of Saving Souls.
 
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No seriously. If you just ask God, He'll let you know. Why try to figure it out yourself? It's HIS assessment that counts anyway.

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But I already know what a Jew is… I also know who are those who claim to be Jews but lie. But yes, we are to ask for wisdom knowledge and most importantly understanding.
 

selahsays

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That's such a long explanation. Just look to God and see who He considers is Jewish. It's not complicated.

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Amen. ….a spiritual Jew.

And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her. The LORD shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah.

- Psalm 87:5-6 (KJV)
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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But I already know what a Jew is… I also know who are those who claim to be Jews but lie. But yes, we are to ask for wisdom knowledge and most importantly understanding.
What are you going to do about the people you think are lying? Did God tell you to do something to them or about them?

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ZNP

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Summary of what is happening this Feast of Trumpets

I have been fully plugged into the “watchmen” community, Christians who are looking at the signs of the Lord’s coming and they are going wild right now so I figured I’d clue you in so if you hear about some of this you will not be caught by surprise.

Daniel 9:27 tells us that the Antichrist will confirm a covenant with the many for one Shemitah, one period of 7 years.

This word “confirm” does not mean “make” it means “to strengthen”.

On Monday and Tuesday of this coming week at the UN they are going to confirm and strengthen Agenda 2030, a covenant all the nations signed in 2015. That by itself would be interesting.

However, this takes place at the same time as the Feast of Trumpets, a Jewish feast announcing the coming of the Lord, and according to Daniel this seven year period begins with this event and ends with the Day of Atonement (which is ten days after the Feast of Trumpets). So the fact that this is happening the same day that Daniel said it would happen makes this a little more special.

But one wonders how often do all the nations confirm a covenant for seven years? We had thought that this would be a peace treaty but who makes a peace treaty that expires in seven years? We had a shut down of the economy for a few weeks until they could flatten the curve with the Pandemic, they impose Martial law temporarily until they can get an election. It is hard for me to think of any time the UN has “strengthened” a covenant for seven years.

Still the consensus among many eschatologists is that whatever this is that happens it also enables Israel to rebuild the temple. (Obviously you would not give them a 7 year permission, who would build a magnificent temple for only 7 years?).

So you can imagine how excited everyone got yesterday when Saudi Arabia announced they were brokering a peace deal for Israel at the same time.

Now before anyone gets too excited, we do know from Revelation that Israel will have the temple (or tabernacle) up and sacrifices being offered during this seven year period, and they cannot do this unless they have a certified Red Heifer that has not ever been used under the yoke and it cannot be more than 3 years old. These are exceedingly rare, the last one Israel had was several thousand years ago. But, it just so happens Israel does have five Red Heifers that have been certified, they arrived last year at the Feast of Trumpets and they plan to sacrifice one this coming Passover.

Again, a mistake many have made over the last few decades is seeing one sign fulfilled and assuming that this must be the start of the seven years called the tribulation. Before that can happen there must be a worldwide pandemic that shuts down the economy. It will be strange, like a bunch of different bugs all spliced together. This is prophesied in Joel.

No doubt some will talk about Pandemic we had, that would mean that either 2020 or 2021 was the Feast of Trumpets which takes place 10 days (ten years) before the Day of Judgment. So if you look at the Feast of Trumpets in 2020 you can see worldwide shutdowns of the economy and Ruth Bader Ginsburg died changing the balance of the court so that Roe v. Wade could be overturned. In 2021 you saw illegal mandates of the vaccine. The Feast of Trumpets is a two day event called “the longest day” or “the hidden day” and it kicks off the blowing of trumpets which I suppose you could liken to all these “watchmen” with their channels blowing their horns.

Still, if all this is the start of the tribulation you need everything in place to have the mark of the beast. That would require a global communications network like Starlink that Elon Musk is using. You also need quantum computers able to handle hundreds of millions of transactions a day, you would need AI intelligence to supervise it, you would need digital chips that can be inserted under the skin, and you would need a digital currency. Interestingly, that is how they plan on “strengthening” Agenda 2030. They are saying the only way to insure total compliance is by controlling what people can buy or sell. The good thing is this will only be temporary, for the next seven years. Kind of like telling a cow he needs to go into the stockyards in Chicago, but it will only be temporary.

OK, but even if all this is true Jesus told us there would be wars and rumors of war. Which brings up an interesting point, we have had a prophecy a few months ago that when all eyes are on China trying to seize Taiwan that is when their will be a surprise attack on the US. Another prophecy said this will be after a hurricane hits California (which hardly ever happens though it did happen just a few days ago).

However, there is one other thing that you have to have. The Bible says clearly that because people loved lies and to make lies God would give them a great deception to explain away the rapture. We believe this great deception will be saying that the rapture was an alien invasion and all the people were taken by aliens. Which can explain movies like ET and all the other movies about aliens. Still they would have to set the stage saying that Aliens were real before the event otherwise no one would believe it. Of course we have had a number of government hearings saying that so I suppose that could be what we were looking for.

But there is one last prophecy that would have to be fulfilled. Ten kings rising out of the nations. They hate the great whore, the city who rules over the kings of the earth. Right now the US dollar rules over the kings of the earth and if you look on our money you will see at least three buildings in Washington DC. so King dollar does depict a great city that rules over the kings of the earth. Yes BRICS is trying to replace it and this could be the ten kings the Bible is talking about. It is not completely clear, the Bible says “ten horns and seven heads”. The UAE is composed of seven heads (the emirates) and they have ten nations which would be ten horns. So who knows, maybe that is what the Bible is talking about.

However, one might think that this is not fair, we should have been warned. Interestingly there were two cows with sevens on their heads born on the Feast of Trumpets in 2014. This was seen as a warning that beginning in 2015 you would have seven years of plenty and then beginning in 2023 you would have seven years of famine. If you want to know the details you can look up Jonathan Cahn. He also wrote a book about how 911 was a harbinger warning us of what was to come. He also has written a book explaining how you can precisely and to the day tie the Pandemic to abortion in America as a judgment from God. You can read that as well.

In addition there is an amazing sign in the heavens right now, I would liken it to the star of David that the wise men saw when Jesus was born. If I told you about it you wouldn’t believe it, which interestingly is what Habakkuk says. God is working a sign that even if it were told you you would not believe. Instead I would reference you to rapture@hourlywatch, he has a youtube channel, and see his Revelation 12 Sign Breakdown video. That video gives a very good overview, however, since making that video much more has been discovered so you can watch a number of other videos as well on the sign.

There is more than this, but I think this gives a good summary of why many believers are so excited about the next ten days.
 
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What are you going to do about the people you think are lying? Did God tell you to do something to them or about them?

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I can prove them wrong and I can do it with the words of Jews. But if they still believe I’m wrong I’m to do nothing…but wipe the dust from my feet.
 

selahsays

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What are you going to do about the people you think are lying? Did God tell you to do something to them or about them?

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Our Father in heaven takes care of the fake Jews.
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

- Revelation 3:9 (KJV)
 

Blain

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What do I not understand about the 144,000? I haven’t said anything about them except they are here during the tribulation.
that is the point. you never even considered the 14400 only the rapture but if you haven't noticed by now the bible the word of god is not a singular thing it is all connected you will never understand one thing without understanding another that is why we study it. every verse connects to another in one way or another
it is all connected intertwined no verse exists not a single one without pertaining to another


The topic of the rapture and the end times is spoken of since the very first verse written in scipture but you cannot try to understand this without first and foremost understanding God Jesus Christ the kingdom his plan. The rapture is just a small piece of it you canno say it is not in scripture without disregarding everything else in scripture you r understand is just that your understanding the word of God is absolute truth and the spoken word of God you either believe what he says or you call him a liar there is no in between no understand no interpretation no matter of how much you have studied none of that matters


He says it plain and honestly he gave all of israil the way to go he was open and honest Jesus came and spoke the kingdom and look what happened to him the same pattern keeps happening the truth is written spoken everyone thinks they know bettter and the same results keeps happening


The rapture was never the point it is not something you can logically understand it defies understanding logic or reasoning even using all the scripture you want will never do any good his ways are not your ways you use scripture but do you ever truly change anyones mmind or heart?

The ths I speak to you are no fo my own ability but only because it is better to have the word written on your heart than to rely to on what scripture you have gathered and tried to reason with or did you not remeber to not lean on your own understanding?

This is not a text you can logicaaly understand or calculate his word is not merely ink and paper and you will not get to the truth trying to reason it with human logic you can post all the scripture you want but it will never compare to those have it written on their hearts and if you cannot without a shadow of adoubt prove them wrong then is that what you call truth? truth is unbeatble nothing can stand against it so you can post scriptures you can claim to be in the truth but if you cannot disprove those who believe then maybe you should question why and what the unfalliable truth is if you cannot prove them wrong you are lacking if you are lacking ask the question why
 

Blain

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I can prove them wrong and I can do it with the words of Jews. But if they still believe I’m wrong I’m to do nothing…but wipe the dust from my feet.
The words of Jews? what do you think about the word of god? the jew rejected Christ you take their word?
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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Our Father in heaven takes care of the fake Jews.
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

- Revelation 3:9 (KJV)

Yeah, I would just let God handle them. I worry that some people will take it into their own hands and then accidentally hurt or kill some people that God Himself considers Jews.

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The words of Jews? what do you think about the word of god? the jew rejected Christ you take their word?
There are many types of Jews… For instance the term Jew now is associated with the house of Judah, which are the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. Paul is of the tribe of Benjamin, shall I not listen to Paul?
 

Blain

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There are many types of Jews… For instance the term Jew now is associated with the house of Judah, which are the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. Paul is of the tribe of Benjamin, shall I not listen to Paul?
Again you are thinking logically can you telll me where Jesus spoke of this distinction?
 
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that is the point. you never even considered the 14400 only the rapture but if you haven't noticed by now the bible the word of god is not a singular thing it is all connected you will never understand one thing without understanding another that is why we study it. every verse connects to another in one way or another
it is all connected intertwined no verse exists not a single one without pertaining to another


The topic of the rapture and the end times is spoken of since the very first verse written in scipture but you cannot try to understand this without first and foremost understanding God Jesus Christ the kingdom his plan. The rapture is just a small piece of it you canno say it is not in scripture without disregarding everything else in scripture you r understand is just that your understanding the word of God is absolute truth and the spoken word of God you either believe what he says or you call him a liar there is no in between no understand no interpretation no matter of how much you have studied none of that matters


He says it plain and honestly he gave all of israil the way to go he was open and honest Jesus came and spoke the kingdom and look what happened to him the same pattern keeps happening the truth is written spoken everyone thinks they know bettter and the same results keeps happening


The rapture was never the point it is not something you can logically understand it defies understanding logic or reasoning even using all the scripture you want will never do any good his ways are not your ways you use scripture but do you ever truly change anyones mmind or heart?

The ths I speak to you are no fo my own ability but only because it is better to have the word written on your heart than to rely to on what scripture you have gathered and tried to reason with or did you not remeber to not lean on your own understanding?

This is not a text you can logicaaly understand or calculate his word is not merely ink and paper and you will not get to the truth trying to reason it with human logic you can post all the scripture you want but it will never compare to those have it written on their hearts and if you cannot without a shadow of adoubt prove them wrong then is that what you call truth? truth is unbeatble nothing can stand against it so you can post scriptures you can claim to be in the truth but if you cannot disprove those who believe then maybe you should question why and what the unfalliable truth is if you cannot prove them wrong you are lacking if you are lacking ask the question why
Please answer the question…
Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations

Why have the saints not been raptured?