There will be no Rapture!!!

[I enlarged one phrase ^ so I can address this when I make my point, here]



The word "escape" (THEY shall "not escape") is the word "ekpheugo / ekphygōsin [G1628]" and means to "FLEE OUT OF [active]".

This verse is in CONTRAST to what is stated in Lk21:36, of those who WILL "[actively] FLEE OUT OF" (ALL of the things that will unfold upon the earth DURING THE TRIB YRS). IOW, Lk21:36 is NOT a "rapture [IN THE AIR]" passage. This is important, to understand the CONTRAST I'm pointing out.

Luke 21:36 (about the Trib yrs) about ppl (b/c they obey the instructions given in this passage) takes place in the same time period that 1Th5:3 is talking about (except this "THEY" in this passage are those who refuse the truth).

The SAME GREEK WORD "ekpheugo [G1628]" (ACTIVELY-"flee out of") used in both passages, but one is saying they "SHALL NOT," and the other is a command for them to "watch" and pray always, "in order that" ye may have strength [some versions say, 'be accounted worthy...] to ACTIVELY FLEE OUT OF... each and every one of the events of the Tribulation period... "and to STAND BEFORE [in a judicial sense] the Son of man [His Second Coming to the earth designation]". Again, this is not a "Rapture" verse/passage... which event happens to us (we are "caught up"... passive recipients of Another's action ON us)

There is no rapture taught in scripture

First of all I am "NOT" upset. You just don't know what your talking about and your not being logical. God is always logical and sometimes He is a-logical which means He goes beyond logic. There are two prophecies in Daniel. The first one was when Titus destroyed the temple and not one rock was upon another. If you want to see old Jerusalem it's 50 feet below.

At Daniel 9 is the second prophecy which is the coming of the Messiah which was 1) 489 years later. This is the time when Jesus answered His disciples question about the end of the world. 2) No mention of any so-called rapture is ever mentioned.

Having said all of this I have another question? If there is a rapture of the church as you believe why would there be tribulation saints?

Of course there are tribulation saints. They COME to believe DURING the tribulation. Many because of the preaching of the 144,000 "virgins" and Two Witnesses. Very simple very obvious.
These trib saints are a PART of the FIRST RESURRECTION......in their own ORDER/RANK!

There is no rapture taught in scripture; nor is there any need to be snatched away from harm. Jesus Christ has promised to return for us one, and only one more time at the end of this age of grace.

There is no rapture taught in scripture; nor is there any need to be snatched away from harm. .

Do you believe the saint alive during the tribulation are appointed unto wrath, or are to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ?

Pardon me? No, that is a false statement.
The Spirit is HARPAZO-ing anybody He wants, whenever He wants, for whatever purposes He needs.
Including of course the BRIDE the CHURCH, who is HARPAZOed by the Bridegroom after the "midnight cry", to be whisked away to enjoy her 7 year honeymoon at the Father's house while the tribulation rages upon the "earth dwellers".

Act 8:39
And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away G726 Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

2Co 12:2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up G726 to the third heaven.

2Co 12:4
How that he was caught up G726 into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

1Th 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up G726 together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rev 12:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up G726 unto God, and to his throne.

Brother, is that what the Scripture says tho? I see Him saying after very clearly.

Matthew 24:29-31, “And immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give its light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. “And then the sign of the Son of Aḏam shall appear in the heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming on the clouds of the heaven with power and much esteem. “And He shall send His messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.”

Just got done posting this on another thread here regarding the tribulation which applies here as well.

REPOST #29 from tribulation thread

The tribulation spoken of in Matthew 24 is not the end of times or the second coming of Christ as many erroneously believe. That tribulation happened with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

When you look Matt 24 and starting at verse 29, you must also consider the parallel scriptures in Luke 21 and Mark 13 for clarity, both of which read differently. The word "immediately" is not present, and it's easier to see that there are 2 separate events, namely, the fall of Jerusalem that has happened, and the very much later end of days and the second coming of the Lord, which obviously has not. And what does the word "immediately" mean, especially to the Lord? Immediately is subjective and not definitive and can mean anything one wishes it to mean. Does it mean the next day, or week, or year, or century, or ???? A day is as a thousand years to the Lord and a thousand years as a day.

Nope sorry. The temple destruction of Dan 9:26 occurs at the FUTURE (far future for Daniel!) time of 70th week trib prophecy. As is 9:25 and 9:27.

Are you confusing this with Dan 8:14, which occurs during the intertestamental period?
Dan 8:14
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.


1) correction: 483 years later (7 X 69).
2) of course no rapture is mentioned FOR (future!) JEWS WHO ARE NOT CHRISTIANS in Matt 24. There is no rapture for Jews who are not Christians at the time of the 70th week!

In fact, the VERY REASON for the 70th week........IS TO BRING ISRAEL ***THROUGH*** the tribulation so that they COME TO FAITH IN THEIR MESSIAH! THATS THE WHOLE POINT of the Daniel prophecy! As well as a TON of other OT prophecies.

And here is ISRAEL'S confession and final redemption. There are far too many OT passages to list. Hundreds.

Hos 5:15
I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.
Hos 6:1
Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
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Hos 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Isa 11:11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.


Of course there are tribulation saints. They COME to believe DURING the tribulation. Many because of the preaching of the 144,000 "virgins" and Two Witnesses. Very simple very obvious.
These trib saints are a PART of the FIRST RESURRECTION......in their own ORDER/RANK!

Raptures here there and everywhere. Wow. Wonderful. I love it. Thank You Lord!

Rev 4:1
After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”

Rev 11:11
Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.
Rev 11:12
And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them.

you are illogical because you are arguing in a circle.

That is a very silly question to be honest.

Saints ALWAYS obtain salvation and they are always elect. Unfortunately, all of these trib saints will suffer the horrors of the tribulation, and many must be (mercifully) beheaded. Thats just the way it is. But these believers are SAVED FROM THE SECOND DEATH. And truly that is all that matters. There will be gentile SAVED saints who survive and go on to refill the earth. And of course surviving Israelites who do the same.

Eternity in the Kingdom of Jesus Messiah. And a guest at the wedding feast. That is the privilege of the Tribulation Saints.

We, the CHURCH are the BRIDE, who ACCOMPANY THE HUSBAND AS HIS ALREADY MARRIED SPOUSE to the wedding feast.
We are NOT THE GUESTS.......we are the honored WIFE.

The HUSBAND and WIFE are not the GUESTS at their own wedding reception are they?

So are you implying that the tribulation of saints are not appointed unto wrath

I think you missed this part friend:

"Unfortunately, all of these trib saints will suffer the horrors of the tribulation, and many must be (mercifully) beheaded. Thats just the way it is. But these believers are SAVED FROM THE SECOND DEATH. And truly that is all that matters."

Any of this going on here?

Mat 23:34
“Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city,

that does not answer my question at all. The question is not whether they suffer but whether they are under wrath as opposed to obtaining salvation? Is God angry at them?