There will be no Rapture!!!

the preposition here, ek, "from out, out from among, from, suggesting from the interior outwards. A primary preposition denoting origin, from, out."
So, in other words, guard you thoroughly throughout, i.e. because you have guarded the word of my perseverance, I will also guard you thoroughly throughout the hour that shall come upon all the world (all that are upon the earth, including you).

Hence the commandments; Fear not! only believe! in My Salvation!

Well these guys will be rapture before the tribulation.

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. - Rev 3:10-11

I agree with this. Noah wasn't taken out of the flood, but protected through it. He of course had to obey God in preparation for it. He and his family (and all the animals) would have died too if they didn't believe God and didn't build the ark as He instructed. Not saying we should all be preppers, but God said definitely to armor up our faith and endure to the end.

Also, since the Bible says that:

Revelation 13:7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

I think this is why every Pre-Tribber is in active denial of the truth that the Lord will return AFTER the tribulation. The idea of being persecuted and killed is too horrible for them to face and instead of turning to God for strength, wisdom and endurance through the Holy Spirit, they're just burying their heads in the sand through the false Pre-Trib teaching.

This will leave them unprepared. This will also contribute to the great falling away (apostasy), where many of them will betray the faithful saints just to try to save their own skins. They will regret it though because God is very faithful to His faithful ones and will punish those who betray them - especially if they called themselves believers.


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The problems:

1. Obviously, it's only said about 1/7 of the churches so that isn't a pre-trib rapture of the whole church.

Friend, I must tell you, that it is these kinds of unscholarly inputs from the post-tribbers that have aide and abetted every pre-tribber on this board. Time and time again.

Pre-tribbers have prevailed victorious on every one of these threads. Resoundingly. Really, it wasn't even close.

Seriously, if we're being Rapture'd, why do we need Shorter Days?

I think this is why every Pre-Tribber is in active denial of the truth that the Lord will return AFTER the tribulation.

The_Watchers_2017 said:
Seriously, if we're being Rapture'd, why do we need Shorter Days?

no one can answer this because it discriminates their position on the "Rapture."

Pre-tribbers (I am one) do not "deny" that Jesus will "return" AFTER the tribulation.

In fact, the TWO times that the word "RETURN" is used in the gospels (re: Jesus), it says,

--"when he will RETURN from the wedding" ... THEN "the meal [G347--i.e. the MK age; G347 used also in Matt8:11 and parallel re: the MK age]" - Lk12:36,37-38,40,42-44 (note its parallel passage in Matt24:42-51);

--and "RETURN" in Lk19:12,15,17,19... when He will deal out responsibilities, having to do with "have thou authority over 10 cities"... and "likewise be thou over 5 cities"--note that "cities" are on the earth (note also its parallel passage in Matt25:14-30);




Pre-tribbers absolutely believe He will "RETURN" to the earth AFTER the Trib!! (Rev19; and Matt24:29-31 parallel to Isaiah 27:9,12-13 [/Dan9:24 and Rom11:26-27...]; and Matt25:31-34 and context... etc etc...).


It's just that we believe He will "RETURN" as an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom" ( ^ ), and returning "WITH [G4862 - UNIONed-with]" His "bride / wife [singular]"! (that's US!)

It really doesn't matter what Pre-Tribbers believe - you will not be ready when the AC shows up.

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It really doesn't matter what Pre-Tribbers believe - you will not be ready when the AC shows up.

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Seriously, if we're being Rapture'd, why do we need Shorter Days?

We, the body of Christ do not need shortened days. God's physical people Israel, however, will need those days to be shortened because of how terrible they will be. No flesh would be saved unless those days be shortened.

We’ll, you’re right in that it doesn’t really matter.
When the man of lawlessness is revealed (the AC), we will either be raptured or in most cases beheaded.

So it’s kinda important to see that his beast world system is almost totally complete.

I think a lot of amils are going to be shocked and confused as his time approaches, and they thought it was all either allegory or already fulfilled.

It really doesn't matter what Pre-Tribbers believe - you will not be ready when the AC shows up.

more than just Jews are coming to God in those days.

Seriously, if we're being Rapture'd, why do we need Shorter Days?

All Christians are dispensationalists.