How Can We Help, Prevent, and Stop the Abuse of Men in Relationships?

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seoulsearch

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Hi Everyone,

Some recent talk in the forums had me thinking about the fact that when we talk about abuse in relationships, it's almost always assumed to be a case of a woman who is being abused by a man (and in many cases, maybe the abuse is coming from both sides.)

But the opposite side is rarely talked about, and as Christians, I think it's important to discuss so that we can be of help.

* Have you ever witnessed a man (perhaps even a close relative or your own father) being abused in a relationship? (I realize this question is probably too personal for any man who has been through it himself; feel free to share only what you are comfortable with.)

* Did he try to tell anyone or get help? What was done? How did the person survive?

* What can be done to help prevent men from getting into abusive relationships/marriages, and how do we help them get out if they are in one?"

One of the inspirations for this thread is a story I remember from a regular Singles poster who knew a man who was killed by his wife, and just reading that felt like a stab through the heart.

We probably have to start with talking about how abuse can be defined in these cases, as I'm guessing (I could be wrong; this is a chance for me to learn,) that a woman abusing a man might look a bit different than a man abusing a woman. For example, there might not be as much physical confrontation or beatings (though it certainly could be that,) but possibly more hateful ultimatums and threats?

I have known many men who were financially abused by women, which I think can be a delicate subject especially in the church because Godly men are seen as needing to be providers. But there must be a line between a man providing and a woman simply demanding more, more, and more to the point where the man is literally working himself to death.

This also has me thinking of times when husbands would have Biblical grounds to divorce their wives due to abuse. I have also heard of many single fathers who became that way because their wives were alcoholics or drug addicts, etc.

I grew up in a childhood church that pretty much insisted a married couple stay together no matter what; the church I found in my later adulthood told its members that if one was in an abusive marriage, "Get out while you still have your life." Now, I understand that there is a wide array of beliefs about this, and that the definition of "abuse" can easily be manipulated into serving one's wants and not actual Biblical grounds. I myself have the stance that God does not want us to stay in abusive situations, but those are just my own beliefs.

I have seen both male and female friends, co-worker, family members, etc., get into bad relationships or marriages because of something they were attracted to (a pretty face, financial stability, etc.) and they couldn't be talked out of it (I've been guilty of this myself!)

But over the years, as "Girl Power!" becomes the extremely lopsided battle cry of society, I find myself more and more concerned that men, especially those of various demographics that have been almost unanimously villainized, will become more susceptible to suffering in silence than ever before. I think especially of young men who are trying to navigate an increasingly hostile society that sees them as the enemy, just for being male.

Something has to be done.

What can we do as Christians to come together to help and protect our Godly men?
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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Jesus, thou son of David, have mercy on me!

Why did you have to start this thread?

It is like you are priming my pump.

I know many men who have suffered horrific abuses at the hands of their wives.

Rather than go into any specific details about them, I might just contribute some things that the Bible has to say along these lines in the future.
 

JTB

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I've been abused by women my entire life.

I'm the guy they come to to cry on a shoulder and whine about the abuse they take from the men they pursue. They'd never date me, choosing instead to chase after @holes, but you better believe when the @hole they glommed onto treats them bad, I get to hear about it.
 

seoulsearch

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I've been abused by women my entire life.

I'm the guy they come to to cry on a shoulder and whine about the abuse they take from the men they pursue. They'd never date me, choosing instead to chase after @holes, but you better believe when the @hole they glommed onto treats them bad, I get to hear about it.
I can relate to this very well, but from the other side.

One of the reasons I'm single is because most first dates felt like counseling sessions. I got into situations where I felt more like a crutch than an actual person, and it took me a long time to get out of the cycle myself.

I'm very sorry you've been through this.

Praying you meet someone who appreciates you for who you are.
 

Lanolin

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I dont think men like to talk about abuse with me though Ive had two male bosses who were divorced or seprarated and from what they tell me the wives were unreasonable or not perfect enough (or ill)

The men worked hard to please them but they couldnt be please though Im not sure if they were initially unfaithful but they found new partners who were probably easier to please.

Basically it seems the men did all the work but worked so hard to put bread on the table and were not spending enough time with ther wives and the wives got angry as theywere left by themselves all day with just the children to cope with and nobody else around to help them.

which probably happens in pretty much ALL suburban marriages. Not sure if this counts as abuse though? If the dad could work from home, he'd be a farmer right.
 

Lanolin

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or he felt like he couldnt make enough money, but then children are expensive to feed and clothe but the wives would rather the children got everything of they are good mothers than themselves, I dont know. what consitutes financial abuse, as when you have children your options for earning are a bit limited you cant go out to work with them. Unless you put them to work..child labour. You could put them in day care I suppose if it was affordable. But then youd be working even MORE to put them in there.

Rasing a family and marriage these days and trying to keep afloat is insane. I think you need lots of cash reserves somewhere.
 

Lanolin

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Without grandparents looking after children or aunties and uncles, how do families survive.
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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I will quickly share something about myself, and then the women here can determine whether or not it qualifies as being abusive.

As I have mentioned before, for some reason (and I believe that God's hand has been directly involved in it), I truly have never really had friends in my life. Sure, some people have been friendly towards me, but true friends? I would honestly have to say "no" to that one with possibly two or three rare exceptions.

Anyhow, as a direct result of not having too much human interaction or contact, I have truly spent the bulk of my time with the Lord. You know, doing such things like studying his word, renewing my mind, seeking to become more like him...stuff like that. This, in turn, has led to certain characteristics or traits being formed or forged within me, and some of those include the following:

I am compassionate.
I am caring.
I am loyal.
I am faithful.

Etc., etc. ,etc.

Although these characteristics or traits are good, they have been an absolute hindrance to me meeting a woman, and I am talking about just making a female friend, and especially a Christian woman...as strange as that might initially sound.

For example, I have spent a lot of time over the years on different Christian forums like this one. Inevitably, seeing how about half of the members seem to be female, I encounter a female who I reach out to, and she immediately begins to see some of the aforementioned traits in me, and she immediately assumes that I have ulterior motives for reaching out to her. In other words, time, and time, and time, and time again, I have had females say to me, "No man would be that nice to a woman unless he wants something from her."

Of course, then I am placed inside some sort of stereotypical male pie chart, and all sorts of things are projected upon me which bear no true reflection upon who I actually am, or what I actually desire, and the relationship is totally ruined.

To my way of thinking, this is a form of abuse.

In other words, I am unjustly being judged for things that do not even pertain to me.

I took the time to mention this for this reason:

Even though I will most likely remain single for the rest of my life, I do always hope for others to find love.

Women, please just treat men for who they actually are, and do not project things upon them.

I cannot speak for any men here but myself, but I absolutely hate when women do that to me, and they do that to me all of the time.

And "Christian" women are by far the worst offenders.

You have no idea how tempted I have been over the years, and as recently as this last week, to ask out an unbeliever, just in a friendly sense, because they generally see me for who I actually am.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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I've been abused by women my entire life.

I'm the guy they come to to cry on a shoulder and whine about the abuse they take from the men they pursue. They'd never date me, choosing instead to chase after @holes, but you better believe when the @hole they glommed onto treats them bad, I get to hear about it.

Have you ever, nicely of course, told these women that you didn't want to hear their issues? I ask because I made that mistake with my hubby. He was being a nice guy and listening to my issues with another person. It's not something I did with others but he's a good listener. Then one day he just said " I don't want to hear about what the last guy did to you. Can't you see I'm interested in you?" I was shocked!! He said " why do you think I'm listening to your troubles, because I care about you!!" And that was the day our relationship started. Nine years this month.
 

seoulsearch

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I dont think men like to talk about abuse with me though Ive had two male bosses who were divorced or seprarated and from what they tell me the wives were unreasonable or not perfect enough (or ill)

The men worked hard to please them but they couldnt be please though Im not sure if they were initially unfaithful but they found new partners who were probably easier to please.

Basically it seems the men did all the work but worked so hard to put bread on the table and were not spending enough time with ther wives and the wives got angry as theywere left by themselves all day with just the children to cope with and nobody else around to help them.

which probably happens in pretty much ALL suburban marriages. Not sure if this counts as abuse though? If the dad could work from home, he'd be a farmer right.

I think this is one of the main issues right here. Men are told they need to be strong, silent, and must handle everything on their own.

Women are supposed to have a man's "big strong shoulders" to cry on; but it seems to be assumed that men will be ok if they just rely on God. Certainly we're all supposed to rely on God, but I think men need more, and I would like to see things changed.

Most especially if a man is taking care of a sick wife. He needs a support system and care relief!

This makes me wonder... I'll see if anyone notices this question... maybe it will turn into its own thread.


* Gentlemen, how helpful (or not) do you find things like Men's Groups and get togethers ("Men's Pancake Breakfast This Saturday at 8 AM") to be? Do any of you participate in these groups and do you feel they have helped you build a support network? *


Which brings me to ANOTHER question... Why is it always Men's Breakfast and Ladies' Lunches? I have actually wondered that... Why it seemed normal to assume guys wanted to get up at 7 AM to get to a Saturday breakfast at 8, while women were always corralled into lunch. :unsure: (Admittedly, it might just be that I sometimes have a bias towards breakfast foods.) :cool:
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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* Gentlemen, how helpful (or not) do you find things like Men's Groups and get togethers ("Men's Pancake Breakfast This Saturday at 8 AM") to be? Do any of you participate in these groups and do you feel they have helped you build a support network? *
Personally, and I am being totally serious, I would rather be shot out of a cannon into the mouth of an erupting volcano with a keg of dynamite strapped to my back than to attend a men's breakfast.

Sorry, but I like women.

:)
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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Personally, and I am being totally serious, I would rather be shot out of a cannon into the mouth of an erupting volcano with a keg of dynamite strapped to my back than to attend a men's breakfast.

Sorry, but I like women.

:)
I forgot to mention "while birds pluck out my eyeballs mid-flight".

:cool:
 

Cameron143

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I think this is one of the main issues right here. Men are told they need to be strong, silent, and must handle everything on their own.

Women are supposed to have a man's "big strong shoulders" to cry on; but it seems to be assumed that men will be ok if they just rely on God. Certainly we're all supposed to rely on God, but I think men need more, and I would like to see things changed.

Most especially if a man is taking care of a sick wife. He needs a support system and care relief!

This makes me wonder... I'll see if anyone notices this question... maybe it will turn into its own thread.


* Gentlemen, how helpful (or not) do you find things like Men's Groups and get togethers ("Men's Pancake Breakfast This Saturday at 8 AM") to be? Do any of you participate in these groups and do you feel they have helped you build a support network? *


Which brings me to ANOTHER question... Why is it always Men's Breakfast and Ladies' Lunches? I have actually wondered that... Why it seemed normal to assume guys wanted to get up at 7 AM to get to a Saturday breakfast at 8, while women were always corralled into lunch. :unsure: (Admittedly, it might just be that I sometimes have a bias towards breakfast foods.) :cool:
Breakfast is the cheapest meal. It's not complicated...men are cheap...I mean frugal.
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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Breakfast is the cheapest meal. It's not complicated...men are cheap...I mean frugal.
Did you ever notice how there seems to be an open heaven when you pray first thing in the morning?

I think that is because it is before we eat "breakfast" or before we "break" our "fast" during the previous night's sleep.
 

seoulsearch

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I will quickly share something about myself, and then the women here can determine whether or not it qualifies as being abusive.

As I have mentioned before, for some reason (and I believe that God's hand has been directly involved in it), I truly have never really had friends in my life. Sure, some people have been friendly towards me, but true friends? I would honestly have to say "no" to that one with possibly two or three rare exceptions.

Anyhow, as a direct result of not having too much human interaction or contact, I have truly spent the bulk of my time with the Lord. You know, doing such things like studying his word, renewing my mind, seeking to become more like him...stuff like that. This, in turn, has led to certain characteristics or traits being formed or forged within me, and some of those include the following:

I am compassionate.
I am caring.
I am loyal.
I am faithful.

Etc., etc. ,etc.

Although these characteristics or traits are good, they have been an absolute hindrance to me meeting a woman, and I am talking about just making a female friend, and especially a Christian woman...as strange as that might initially sound.

For example, I have spent a lot of time over the years on different Christian forums like this one. Inevitably, seeing how about half of the members seem to be female, I encounter a female who I reach out to, and she immediately begins to see some of the aforementioned traits in me, and she immediately assumes that I have ulterior motives for reaching out to her. In other words, time, and time, and time, and time again, I have had females say to me, "No man would be that nice to a woman unless he wants something from her."

Of course, then I am placed inside some sort of stereotypical male pie chart, and all sorts of things are projected upon me which bear no true reflection upon who I actually am, or what I actually desire, and the relationship is totally ruined.

To my way of thinking, this is a form of abuse.

In other words, I am unjustly being judged for things that do not even pertain to me.

I took the time to mention this for this reason:

Even though I will most likely remain single for the rest of my life, I do always hope for others to find love.

Women, please just treat men for who they actually are, and do not project things upon them.

I cannot speak for any men here but myself, but I absolutely hate when women do that to me, and they do that to me all of the time.

And "Christian" women are by far the worst offenders.

You have no idea how tempted I have been over the years, and as recently as this last week, to ask out an unbeliever because they generally see me for who I actually am.

This might just be me, but I think that mistrust has become the everyday norm in society, along with most people demanding that anyone who approaches them must "prove" something because of someone who hurt them. It's understandable, but since they are still living within their hurt, any new candidate becomes someone else who has to "pass all the test" to prove they are "different from all the others" and "worthy" of their company.

I can empathize with your story very well. I've had lots of guy friends talk about this often. It's the age-old adage, "Nice guys finish last." As terrible as it is, society seems to reinforce that quite often.

But what I've found is that it both genders are punished in slightly different ways. Some men are rejected because they are seen as not having what a woman thinks she is looking for, or there is no "spark" between them. Why that is, I have no idea. I've experienced it as well, both as the friend zoner and the friend zonee.

Why is it that so many wonderful people wind up as "just friends"?! This seems to be one of the mysteries of the universe.

The flip side for women is that nice women who don't have a certain look the guys want are also tossed aside. I know women who are the sweetest Christian gals you could ever meet, still virgins, no tattoos, could probably outcook Paula Deen, earn their own wages and are frugal with money -- but they don't fit within the weight limits, body styles, or level of looks the guys they've been attracted to, and so they too are "just friends."

It seems each gender unfortunately has barriers to progress that result in a lot of people being rejected.


One of the worst dates I ever had was with a guy I really had high hopes for, as my friends who worked in missions had set him up, saying he had been a worship leader, etc.

The entire date consisted of him telling me everything his ex-wife did wrong, including witholding sex from him, and he winked at me and said, "I sure hope you wouldn't be like." He then actually made a comment about being willing to test things out right then and there on the restaurant floor.

I politely evaded, listened, and endured the "conversation"... but man oh man.

I couldn't get home fast enough.

(This is also a reason why I usually don't ask someone pick me up on a date -- so I can have my own transportation to rely on if needed.)
 

Cameron143

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Did you ever notice how there seems to be an open heaven when you pray first thing in the morning?

I think that is because it is before we eat "breakfast" or before we "break" our "fast" during the previous night's sleep.
It probably has more to do with the reality that God's mercies are new or renewed to us each morning.
I find if you keep a conversation going with God all day, it's easier to continue it when you wake.
 

RodB651

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* Gentlemen, how helpful (or not) do you find things like Men's Groups and get togethers ("Men's Pancake Breakfast This Saturday at 8 AM") to be? Do any of you participate in these groups and do you feel they have helped you build a support network? *
Honestly, I haven't been to one in years. It's hard to find other men that I can relate to.
 

JTB

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I can relate to this very well, but from the other side.

One of the reasons I'm single is because most first dates felt like counseling sessions. I got into situations where I felt more like a crutch than an actual person, and it took me a long time to get out of the cycle myself.

I'm very sorry you've been through this.

Praying you meet someone who appreciates you for who you are.
I have met someone, and we are married, so I'm talking past situations. But, and how do I say this without sounding tacky or offensive, I married down. Way down. In the end I 'settled' because she was the only one to show an interest. But no, we are not equals, in any sense.
 

JTB

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Have you ever, nicely of course, told these women that you didn't want to hear their issues? I ask because I made that mistake with my hubby. He was being a nice guy and listening to my issues with another person. It's not something I did with others but he's a good listener. Then one day he just said " I don't want to hear about what the last guy did to you. Can't you see I'm interested in you?" I was shocked!! He said " why do you think I'm listening to your troubles, because I care about you!!" And that was the day our relationship started. Nine years this month.
Been there did that, it had NO effect. They'd literally corner me and force me to listen. Then they'd go back to chasing jerks. Unfortunately, I just don't have it in me to be a jerk (altho I would imagine some here would argue that lol)
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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How can we help prevent and stop the abuse of men in relationships?

Well, if you are a woman, then you can stop being a brawling, contentious, and angry woman who is like a continual dropping in a very rainy day, or like a torrential downpour, because it is easier to restrain the wind, or to grasp oil with one's right hand, than it is to deal with you.

Proverbs 21:9

"It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house."

Proverbs 21:19

"It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman."

Proverbs 27:15-16

"A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike. Whosoever hideth her hideth the wind, and the ointment of his right hand, which bewrayeth itself."

I am just mentioning these things for a friend...

:whistle: