Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

Israel, Israel and Israel. That is to whom SPECIFICALLY the 70th week pertains to. We the Bride are out of here buddy.

Dan 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Well since most people call me names and dont respond to my entire posts, as you cut out ore than half of my post, saying im wrong without fully exploring the Scripture I post tells me most people only quote Paul and twist whaat he says as Peter warned of.

2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Awmiĕn.”

WHen I post Yahshua word most people will not touch them and tell me im preaching works.

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

Yet Yahshua/Jesus said this and He even defined what His commandments were in Mat 22

Well they never get replied to, just ignore Jesus quote Paul.

I dont get into titles, people can call themselves whatever they want, and the definition of what a Christian is I do believe fits me Christian = follower of Yahshua/Jesus. But in a lot of churches the call themselves Christian but say Jesus teachings are done away because they are pre-cross. That is why I dont get into titles. Plus every denomanation has a different "way"

Of course

Well I will trust Yahshua's clear words over your view of Daniel

Matthew 24:29-31, “And immediately after the tribulation of those days...then the sign of the Son of Aḏam shall appear in the heaven,...He shall send His messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, (Isa 27:13) and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, (Dan 7:2) from one end of the heavens to the other. (Deu 4:32.)”

Also the wrath is right after this, that is what Daniel talks about, those in Messiah wont suffer the wrath.

Again, having the knowledge of Jesus Christ does not save a person if there is no heart submission to that knowledge. Moral self-reformation is not a substitute for regeneration. The latter end is worse than the beginning for these false prophets/teachers (who are in view in context) because rejecting this knowledge will make them more accountable at the judgment.

I dont fully disagree with that, I think knowledge in the Greek is a little different
not saying they were 100% bought in, but they believed
but you are not listen to what im saying.

2 points.

1. The word knowledge is
G1922 ἐπίγνωσις epignosis (e-piy'-gnō-sis) n.
1. recognition.
2. (by implication) full discernment, acknowledgment.

If this is correct then Peter is not saying they simple know about Jesus/Yahshua, if it is recognition. by implication full discernment, and acknowledgment, it is more than the english word knowedge.

So is that the definition of the Greek word?

2 if they escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge G1922 of the Master and Saviour יהושע Messiah

through the recognition. by implication full discernment, and acknowledgment, of Yahshua

then they believed in Him and therefore escaped THROUGH that recognition, full discernment, and acknowledgment of Yahshua

ecognition, full discernment, and acknowledgment is not oh I heard of the guy, it sounds like fully realizing who He is, and it changed them...

and then as Yahshua warned of in His parables, they were swept away.

2 Peter 1
King James Version
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

13 Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;

14 Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.

15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.

I'm just not buying your eisegesis.

Do you teach that salvation is by faith AND WORKS? These are all the same passages of scripture that Roman Catholics, Mormons and other works-salvationists cite in their efforts to try and prove that man is saved by faith AND WORKS.

Is the definition correct?

1. The word knowledge is
G1922 ἐπίγνωσις epignosis (e-piy'-gnō-sis) n.
1. recognition.
2. (by implication) full discernment, acknowledgment.

I simply believe what is written and spoken by YHWH, Yahshua and His disciples, all of them.

OK I think I know why we disagree, do you only accept Paul's writings as the new covenant?

The problem is not with the definition. It's the application of the knowledge that is the problem.

Thats ok.

Im curious about this.

do you only accept Paul's writings as the new covenant?

"full discerment"....????

Of the Infinite God? I think not.

Even for the redeemed, it will take an eternity to "fully discern" the Infinite One.

Well thats what the word means, it was not written in english originally...

1. The word knowledge is
G1922 ἐπίγνωσις epignosis (e-piy'-gnō-sis) n.
1. recognition.
2. (by implication) full discernment, acknowledgment.

also maybe its
1. recognition.
2. (by implication) full discernment, acknowledgment.

that Yahshua is the spotless Lamb of YHWH?

for the human mind I dont think its even possible in eternity to fully discern everything about Him.

Im curious about this. You seemed to stop responding when I asked you this.

do you only accept Paul's writings as the new covenant?

Im just saying, Christ worked out a righteousness for His People and its imputed to them by freegrace, its called the righteousness of God 2 Cor 5:21

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

True believers want to be found in that righteousness Phil 3:9

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Look to Christ for righteousness friend, do you think any obedience of yours is a match to that ? The Fathers will is to believe on Jesus Christ whom He hath sent.

So you read me saying

Mercy does not mean obedience is bad. He says to do His will.

and found error in that? Where did I say that?

SO when I say He says to do His will.

that is bad? Im preaching works? Why does everyone freak out at any talk of obedience?

Is Jesus preaching falsehood here in your view?

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

since you are learned can you tell me what that verse means?

Where are you going with this? When do you believe the new covenant was established?

True and obedience which "follows" real faith led by the Holy Spirit and is produced "out of" faith is works. (Ephesians 2:8-10)

In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims (key word) he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So, when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. So, James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!

In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works. There is a difference between mere "mental assent" belief (as the demons have) and saving belief in Christ, which the demons do not have.

In James 2:22, faith made perfect or complete by works means bring to maturity, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. It doesn't mean that Abraham was finally saved based on merits of his works after he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.

In James 2:24, James is not using the word "justified" here to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3) Works bear out the justification that already came by faith.

In the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the Greek word for justified "dikaioo" #1344 is:

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

In Matthew 12:37, we read - "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." This is because our words (and our works) reveal the condition of our hearts. Words/works are evidences for, or against a man being in a state of righteousness.

God is said to have been justified by those who were baptized by John the Baptist (Luke 7:29). This act pronounced or declared God to be righteous. It did not make him righteous. The basis or ground for the pronouncement was the fact that God IS righteous. Notice that the NIV reads, "acknowledged that God's way was right.." The ESV reads, "they declared God just.." This is the sense in which God was "justified." He was shown to be righteous.

Matthew 11:19 "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax-gatherers and sinners!' Yet wisdom is justified/vindicated/shown to be right by her deeds."

Hebrews 11:1 - Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

So who obeys Him? The saved or the lost? I often hear works-salvationists cite this verse to try and support salvation by works, including Roman Catholics and Mormons.

Only genuine believers have obeyed Him by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) in order to become saved, and only genuine believers obey Him after they have been saved through faith by practicing righteousness and not sin. (1 John 3:7-10) In either sense, only believers obey Him.

Unbelievers have not obeyed Him by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) and without faith it's impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), so unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much "so called" obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to receive salvation based on works. So, in either sense, unbelievers do not obey Him.

Well I every human needs moercy no doubt, that does not remove the want or instructions to do His will and there is no cause for accusation to those who seek to do His will.

The one you speak of also spoke, His words are clear

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

John/Yahanan 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

You seem to form your doctrine from Paul alone, do you believe in following Yahshua/Jesus words?