Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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Smoke

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cv5 said:
I have heard that DeSantis knows the secret handshake....which is bad. But he did shake up Florida big time. First day in office fired ALL of the old guard.

This is EXACTLY what Trump should have done. Trump was so stupid that he did not understand that you have EVERY RIGHT as boss to surround yourself with loyalists.
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I think Trump knew he could do it. I think he feared the repercussions from the left by doing so. The thing is, Trump was elected by his base to do a job... not to give in to the left's threats. I agree though, DeSantis didn't care about the threats the left made and did what the people in his state elected him to do... clean house. In my opinion, Trump did some really good things, but I can't overlook the bad if I am trying to be completely objective.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
It’s the strangest thing,why do SO many people prefer an unGODly man over Mike Pence.It boggles my mind.
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I don't have proof but I have heard personal testimonies that Pence is not a godly man, he is nothing but the reputation of something that he is not.
 
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ZNP said:
I don't have proof but I have heard personal testimonies that Pence is not a godly man, he is nothing but the reputation of something that he is not.
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Yup heard the same chatter. All Pence is going to do is run interference, aid and abet the bad guys. A compromised blackmailed puppet.
 
iamsoandso

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ZNP said:
I don't have proof but I have heard personal testimonies that Pence is not a godly man, he is nothing but the reputation of something that he is not.
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I cant wait though till August 23rd to see if Trump is willing to show up and debate against his own x vice president that knows all the in's and out's about all that happened in those four years. Must seem to be a difficult thing to debate your own man Friday when he knows as much about your own hushed things as you know,,lol.
 
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Smoke said:
Well, the left said he wasn't acting fast enough. The right said the vaccine was unsafe. So out of curiosity, was it the right move to create the vaccine? Trump does claim he saved millions of lives by doing so... However, a large percentage of his devout followers say it's a kill shot or at the very least, killing many people from young to old, from sedentary life style to career athletes.





So it takes a career politician to spot the alligators? Interestingly, the majority of his base aren't politicians... neither am I... yet, we saw RIGHT THROUGH Dr. Fauci. I mean, it's one thing to not be able to identify alligators and another to straight up appoint them as well. Feel free to make excuses for why he did the exact OPPOSITE from what he pledged in his campaign.



Why do I need to know what he said to his wife to know that he is an unrepentant serial adulterer? He was asked if he ever asked God for forgiveness for anything he has ever done... He straight up told the interviewer and the crowdy that he hasn't. He's making it EVERYONE'S business when he professes on a national stage that he has never asked for forgiveness.

I also don't know what Clinton has to do with this point whatsoever. The question I asked was if any of the points I made would make his list. Now that you did bring up Clinton though, that was the first time I heard Republicans make a statement that they would never vote for someone who would cheat on their wife because if you can't be faithful to your own wife, how can you be faithful to the American people? I'm not saying those are my sentiments... I'm just repeating what was said then... and decades later, the goal post has drastically moved.




Yes, but the falling out was because of property... From all accounts, it was widely known the whoredoms Epstein was up to. He has a knack for not only being incapable of identifying the alligators and disgusting low-moral people, but initially being drawn to them as well.

Also, before you bring up Clinton being on Epstein's plane a billion times, I am not here to defend or even attack him. However disgusting Clinton is, is irrelevant to the fact Trump has done some shady/incompetent things in his past... some of which may be disqualifying points to add to Joe Biden's list had he done them.
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Trump had his chance and he blew it. He could've been a hero but he became a zero. God only knows why.
 
ZNP

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Smoke said:
Would any of these make your list?

1.) Expedite "an experimental" vaccine at all cost which many feel are responsible for the deaths of thousands (potentially millions) of people, many of which are very young.
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I am aware of this and am strongly considering that, however, the Moloch worshippers are the ones with the depopulation agenda and they would never do anything to limit abortion or child trafficking. He did both.

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2.) Appoint alligator after alligator to the swamp when they campaigned to drain the swamp.
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I don't believe anyone would have done better. After all, many think that Pence is a man of God, the gift of discernment is very special and few have it.

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3.) Non-repentant serial adulterer (someone who has committed multiple accounts of adultery but refuses to ask for forgiveness).
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He does not need to ask me for forgiveness. There is no reason why he should do this on the news or with a press release. I have heard from his ex wife and she has nothing negative to say. His children have nothing negative to say. I have never known a "serial adulterer" where that is the case. Besides, think of the hypocrisy. Joe and Jill started out in an adulterous affair. Read about that relationship and anything Trump has done pales in comparison.

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4.) Being friends/partying with questionable people ranging from Kanye West to Bill Clinton to Jeffrey Epstein (prior to having falling outs with them).
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Again the hypocrisy here is off the charts. Joe Biden is attracted to every six year old girl he sees, had a very close relationship with both Obama and the Clintons and is a FreeMason. You can't be a successful billionaire without rubbing shoulders with people like the Clintons. The relationship with Epstein was completely on Epsteins part, he never went to Epstein island but Clinton did go 100 times. As for Kanye West that is idiotic. He is running for president, this guy is very wealthy and influential with an electorate that he needed help with. So what did his friendship entail, letting Kanye support his bid for presidency?

This is my point, the things people take offense at are idiotic. Epstein meets him a few times till he figures out who the guy is and shuns him, yet you would vote for Hillary or Biden? Some rich mogul from Hollywood supports Trump so you would instead choose Hillary or Biden who are extremely close with all of Hollywood?

All this might prove and that has yet to be seen is what I already know. The whole world lies in the evil one. Another possibility is that Trump is the jawbone of an ass that Jesus, the strong man, will use to beat the philistines to a pulp. I believe this is certainly true, the last two years have done so much to expose the deep state and the corrupt government officials and cause Americans to wake up out of their complacency.
 
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Ridiculous argument about a binary choice.
 
ZNP

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Smoke said:
Would you say the case against Pence for most pro Trump people stems from Pence's unwillingness to reject electoral college votes?

Pence is quoted: “President Trump demanded that I use my authority as vice president presiding over the count of the Electoral College to essentially overturn the election by returning or literally rejecting votes. I had no authority to do that.”
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Why would you ask ResidentAlien to speak for Trump voters?

My understanding is that Mike Pence is something quite heinous. I won't say it because it is slanderous without very strong proof. I do have personal testimonies, but don't know if they would hold up in court.
 
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cv5 said:
Tragically, Benedict Arnold is not available this go-around.
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Whoa! Benedict Arnold had his faults but comparing him to Pence? He doesn't deserve that, he was a real war hero before becoming a traitor.
 
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cv5 said:
I do agree. If Trump comported himself wisely, he would have sugically and diplomatically extripated the DC swamp criminal enterprises and traitors before they had opportunity to destroy him.

But because of his infantile naivete and narcissim, the entrenched DC mafia ragdolled him like a chump.
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Yes, if only he were perfect.
 
ZNP

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cv5 said:
Yup heard the same chatter. All Pence is going to do is run interference, aid and abet the bad guys. A compromised blackmailed puppet.
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Things I heard were much worse than that.
 
iamsoandso

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cv5 said:
Oh I know. Pence is "one of them".
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Trump needs to realize that even a little video gamer can make a name and get millions of followers(recent news).. Trump needs to face Pence face to face at the debate unless he feels more comfortable just posting on Twitter. "#Trump show up and face the guy who knows the same dirt as you"....
 
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I would be interested to know who Pence's donors are and how much support and from where after he started banging on Trump.
Same for Christie, who btw was the one who suggested Wray and still supports him.
 
ZNP

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iamsoandso said:
Trump needs to realize that even a little video gamer can make a name and get millions of followers(recent news).. Trump needs to face Pence face to face at the debate unless he feels more comfortable just posting on Twitter. "#Trump show up and face the guy who knows the same dirt as you"....
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Pence isn't in the running for the nomination.
 
iamsoandso

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ZNP said:
Pence isn't in the running for the nomination.
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Then Trump should show up at the debate and face him like a man instead of posting from his bedroom like a little kid and squash that little booger first thing,,,well unless he's skeered to face someone who was in his inner circle and knows all the scoop on the dirt and such. If not it's just gonna look like he's admitting that he thinks Pence really is his main competition in the run. Or should he just sit back and see if any of the others can knock him out and then debate the rest?
 
ZNP

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iamsoandso said:
Then Trump should show up at the debate and face him like a man instead of posting from his bedroom like a little kid and squash that little booger first thing,,,well unless he's skeered to face someone who was in his inner circle and knows all the scoop on the dirt and such. If not it's just gonna look like he's admitting that he thinks Pence really is his main competition in the run. Or should he just sit back and see if any of the others can knock him out and then debate the rest?
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I think the issue with the debate is that everyone has to agree to support the eventual nominee. Remove that stipulation and I suspect he would be there.
 
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