Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

You must be faithful unto death. So, if you're not, you can't ultimately be saved. Initially yes, but you must remain faithful unto death as the scripture says. So bottom line, you CAN lose your salvation.

Phil 2:12

12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

What about those that may have believed and become Christians but then deny or denounce him. This is what was been warned of in the Hebrew letter to the newly converted Jews. Consider a baptized believer, a saved individual, who renounces Jesus and becomes a Muslim. Is this person still saved? I don't think so.

OSAS is Calvinism but only after salvation- once you believe, you're locked in, and God won't let you leave. Anybody who leaves "never really believed"... based on a superbad interpretation of 1john2 18,19... even though in the same chapter John tells them "now, little children, remain in Christ", as if they have some kind of a choice!

What about those that may have believed and become Christians but then deny or denounce him. This is what was been warned of in the Hebrew letter to the newly converted Jews. Consider a baptized believer, a saved individual, who renounces Jesus and becomes a Muslim. Is this person still saved? I don't think so.

That makes no sense. If you believe, confess your belief as did the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8, and then baptized, you're saved.

If that infividual at some later point in his life then renounced Christ, he would then no longer be saved. How could he be? If it can't happen as you're suggesting, then why the biblical warnings? Simon the sorcerer believed and was baptized and thereby saved in Acts 8, but because he wanted to purchase the power of God he saw being manifested by the laying on of the apostle's hands, he was told to repent or perish. That means he could have been lost.

You must be faithful unto death. So, if you're not, you can't ultimately be saved. Initially yes, but you must remain faithful unto death as the scripture says. So bottom line, you CAN lose your salvation.

Phil 2:12

12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

So bottom line, you CAN lose your salvation.

OSAS may be calvinist.

But eternal security and the seal of the spirit are Christist!

I like the choice of Maybe 😊.

But fail to see how that choice could not be seen as none Calvinist too

Show us the words "lose salvation" in scripture. Salvation is not probation. Eternal life is not temporary life. Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

Notice in Philippians 2:12 that Paul said to "work out" your salvation and NOT "work for" your salvation. When we "work out" at the gym, we exercise to develop our body that we already have and not to get a body. Farmers "work out" the land, not in order to get the land, but to develop the land they already have. The Greek verb rendered "work out" means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing the process of ongoing sanctification, which is the result of being set apart for God's work and involves the process of being conformed to the image of Christ.

This conforming to Christ involves the work of the person, but it is still God working in the believer to produce more of a godly character and life in the person who has already been justified by faith. In verse 13, Paul goes on to say, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." Ongoing sanctification has no bearing on justification. That is, even if we don't live a sinless, without fault or defect, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (which we won't) we are still justified by faith in Christ. (Romans 5:1) Where justification is a legal declaration that is instantaneous, ongoing sanctification is a process.

How about the word perish as in Acts 8 verse 20 as was told to Simon the sorcerer. Perish = lost salvation

No loss of salvation here. Only a failure to receive it/bogus conversion. Notice Peter said to Simon, "may your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God, repent of this wickedness/poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity.' That is not descriptive of a born again Christian.

One comment only for you based on past exchanges, more like a comment for the other readers to correct your response here.
Simon believed just like everyone else. He was baptized for the remission of his sins (Acts 2:38) just like everyone else. By doing this, he was added to the church by the Lord (Acts 2:47). This means he was a Christian. He was told to repent acts 8:22, or perish. He asked Peter to pray for him, so obviously he repented. His conversion was no different than anyone else's who followed or follows the plan of salvation. Goodbye.

DJT_47, ..He asked Peter to pray for him, so obviously he repented..

After hearing Peter's rebuke, Simon asks Peter to pray for him out of fear of the consequences for his sin. Nothing conclusive about repentance unto salvation.

Ive come to learn nobody can dispute salvation,

Because a person can only know that there saved.

A person can only trust that they will be saved by knowing what the word of God says and believing what the word of God says


So for me any dispute of being saved has to be an element of doubt.

Doubt is very beneficial for people who believe heresy.