No more of works?

What I am advocating is that we've got something better than those OT saints. We have the shed blood of Jesus Christ. I believe that salvation was not even possible for them, therefore, when they died, they slept in Abraham's bosom.

Those OT saints could obtain righteousness by following the law, but it was self-righteousness not God's righteousness through Jesus Christ. God's righteousness through Christ was not even available to them. Here is an example of OT righteousness:

Luke 1
5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Both Zacharias and his wife Elisabeth were righteous before God by being blameless as they following the commandments and ordinances of the Lord. Paul was also blameless as touching the righteousness under the law.

Remember, God added the sacrificial system as part of the law. If one transgressed
the law, they had a means to have their transgression forgiven.

I believe that salvation was not even possible for them, therefore, when they died, they slept in Abraham's bosom.

Deut 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Paul was stating a fact. It is no more of works.

Grace has always been present. Grace for salvation began with Adam and Eve.
The initial covenant for salvation was one of works. There was a singular prohibition and had that commandment been kept, it would have led to eternal life at some point. It wasn't, thus, grace became necessary.
The particular verses you ask about reflected the estate of Israel in the time of the Apostle. Some were saved by grace, but most had not. Hence, Israel failed to obtain what it desired: life through the law.

Paul was stating a fact. It is no mor of works.

Where is "proving your faith" in this? It is proving your righteousness.

Have you ever read the law of the lepers in Moses law this is how the works of the law speak of lepers it’s one of the longest chapters in the law so I’ll just show a few verses tommake the point. this is how the worlds of the law compare to the Word of faith

“And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, This shall be the law of the leper in the day of his cleansing: He shall be brought unto the priest: and the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper; then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop: and the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water: as for the living bird, he shall take it, and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water: and he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field. And he that is to be cleansed shall wash his clothes, and shave off all his hair, and wash himself in water, that he may be clean: and after that he shall come into the camp, and shall tarry abroad out of his tent seven days. But it shall be on the seventh day, that he shall shave all his hair off his head and his beard and his eyebrows, even all his hair he shall shave off: and he shall wash his clothes, also he shall wash his flesh in water, and he shall be clean. And on the eighth day he shall take two he lambs without blemish, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish, and three tenth deals of fine flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and one log of oil. And if he be poor, and cannot get so much; then he shall take one lamb for a trespass offering to be waved, to make an atonement for him, and one tenth deal of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering, and a log of oil; and two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, such as he is able to get; and the one shall be a sin offering, and the other a burnt offering. And he shall bring them on the eighth day for his cleansing unto the priest, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, before the LORD. to teach when it is unclean, and when it is clean: this is the law of leprosy.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭14:1-10, 21-23, 57‬ ‭KJV‬‬

again this is just a short sample of what had to be tediously done and it might not work according to the law but there’s like fifty things they had to do ritually to have a chance of cleansing lepracy

now the difference in the gospel and faith and how a leper is cleansed

“And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭8:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The one in the gospel wasn’t cleansed by the works of the law but by the faith of Jesus Christ hearing and knowing his word that said “ I know you can do this if you will lord Jesus “ and the answer that said “ I’m willing be ye clean “

There was no hundred ordinances and ritualistic works required he wasn’t cleansed by works but Jesus had mercy on him and he had faith in Jesus


“Not by works “ doesn’t mean our deeds don’t apply but it’s just saying the many works of the law aren’t what saves anyone but instead it’s Gods grace and thier faith in him meaning they hear and believe his word knowing who’s word it is

What I am advocating is that we've got something better than those OT saints. We have the shed blood of Jesus Christ. I believe that salvation was not even possible for them, therefore, when they died, they slept in Abraham's bosom.

I like what you said, but even keeping the whole law, it only made them ceremonially clean. They still needed to be healed. Christ was always necessary.

yeah Christ was always there though with them

“Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; and did all eat the same spiritual meat; and did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:1-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what I was saying brother is the law can’t save anyone it’s not made to do that Jesus is the savior . In the law the levites had to keep all these many many tedious ordinances ceremonial things washings and rituals in order for anything to happen . Faith isnt like that faith is based solely and only on what Jesus said

Like this is a word designed of and by and for faith

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

see how Jesus is giving an instruction and then assuring of a result if it’s believed d one if itnisnt ? In the Bible there are words of faith like that but then there’s the law

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law was never meant to give faith and save us what I was saying the New Testament is

I agree with your point. I'm merely saying it has been that way since the fall. It has simply been made more plain over time.

salvation not possible? hhhhmmmm i was taught that salvation was always available & possible in the o.t. & n.t.

If they were
blameless before God, why the sacrifices?

Animal sacrifices were commanded by God so that people could experience forgiveness of
sin, but only temporarily, which is why the sacrifices needed to be offered repeatedly. Animal
sacrifices foreshadowed Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf, and have stopped with Jesus Christ.

Abraham's bosom is analogist of resting in God's care. As Abraham is the personification of faith, which the hub of resides in his bosom. The rick man died faithless (which is indeed poverty regarding any true riches) hence his request imploring that Lazarus be sent back to preach to his faithless brothers. Lazarus died with the only real treasure, faith.