In your opinion do you believe world is about 6000 years old

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Fundaamental

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you do realize mazoretic texts only refer to the Old Testaments of English Bibles with both OT/NT, and the yiddish Bibles created for Messianic Jews?

you won't find that in the Torah/Tanakh.
will you find this, and provide a link

The first word of the Hebrew text of Genesis (as traditionally vocalized means literally) In a beginning. However, tradition gives it the meaning and translation In the beginning. The literal meaning is considered as contradicting reality.

See the difference

In a beginning

In the beggining
 

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This is the assumption made that it was a world flood but the evidence for a local flood is just as compelling.
The text could not be more clear. Global flood. The greatest catastrophe of all time, where only 8 people were divinely spared.
 

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This is the assumption made that it was a world flood but the evidence for a local flood is just as compelling.
There is actually a huge problem with believing the Great Flood was only local. It calls into question the character, honesty and Word of God.

Genesis 9:11

King James Version

11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

There has been countless “local” floods, that has killed millions, and destroyed entire regions of Earth.

If the Great Flood was only local, then God broke His Word in the above passage.

I don’t think God ever breaks His Word.

Therefore the Flood covered the whole world.
 

JohnRH

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There is actually a huge problem with believing the Great Flood was only local. It calls into question the character, honesty and Word of God.

Genesis 9:11

King James Version

11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

There has been countless “local” floods, that has killed millions, and destroyed entire regions of Earth.

If the Great Flood was only local, then God broke His Word in the above passage.

I don’t think God ever breaks His Word.

Therefore the Flood covered the whole world.
Yes, and also:

And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. 20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. Gen 7:19-20 (KJV)

And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. 23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. Gen 7:21-23 (KJV)

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:6-7 (KJV)
 
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ok well you've also had numerous other reasons as to why the earth could be older not just mine
But I'm not going to repeat them.



Your main point of reasoning for your bias has been your online source of information for the tora/tanakh translations
Could you provide a link for where your getting your translations.

And why would you dismiss new testament texts in favour of the Hebrew cannon.

If anything a lot of Christians feel the old testament leaves them with a lot more questions than the new testament.
you don't understand anything i believe towards the Age of the Earth.
in fact, it's been debated and continues for literally 4,000 years from the Torah, did Genesis 1:1 mean God created a Finished Earth.
but come to Genesis 1:2, the Earth is now destroyed.
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I don't know where i am at on this but let's say this is Fact.
let's say Genesis 1:1 means a complete Earth with People on it.
then Genesis 1:2 the Earth is in a destroyed condition and the People are gone.
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how many years did this Earth in Genesis 1:1 exist before it ended up like Genesis 1:2?


oddly enough, the Jews, actually consider God had a GAP between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

ain't that hilarious?

that could make the Earth any Age.
 
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will you find this, and provide a link

The first word of the Hebrew text of Genesis (as traditionally vocalized means literally) In a beginning. However, tradition gives it the meaning and translation In the beginning. The literal meaning is considered as contradicting reality.

See the difference

In a beginning

In the beggining
it actually does mean [[in A beginning]] not in the beginning!
 

Fundaamental

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you don't understand anything i believe towards the Age of the Earth.
in fact, it's been debated and continues for literally 4,000 years from the Torah, did Genesis 1:1 mean God created a Finished Earth.
but come to Genesis 1:2, the Earth is now destroyed.
^
I don't know where i am at on this but let's say this is Fact.
let's say Genesis 1:1 means a complete Earth with People on it.
then Genesis 1:2 the Earth is in a destroyed condition and the People are gone.
^
how many years did this Earth in Genesis 1:1 exist before it ended up like Genesis 1:2?


oddly enough, the Jews, actually consider God had a GAP between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

ain't that hilarious?

that could make the Earth any Age.
well no it's not hilarious.

There could be a gap between 1.1 and 1.2

Because at least 10 or more scriptures indicate something on earth belongs to his heaven.

So are you saying you don't know for sure how old the earth is .
 

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' In the beginning' could be paraphrased 'At the start'

anyway why are people obssesed with age. It dosent make much difference to me how old the hills are. God can make anything new again.
 

Fundaamental

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' In the beginning' could be paraphrased 'At the start'

anyway why are people obssesed with age. It dosent make much difference to me how old the hills are. God can make anything new again.
firstly my reasoning is the same to some extent but I would call it an interest.

We see in Corinthians
Something being described as a moment and a blink of the eye. But yet Genesis 1 isn't described that way.

CORINTHIANS
We will not all die, but we will all be transformed! It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever.

The Jews translated CORINTHIANS to mean point blank something was transformed in a blink of an eye but yet not genesis 1.1
 
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All that I need is a link to an online text.
you could never convince paint to dry while using a Septuagint, a second language translation, one that still contains the apocrypha.



here is the FACT!

in the year 1536 of Creation (2225 BCE), when G‑d first foretold the events that would come to pass.

The ark took Noah no less than 120 years to build

in the year 1656 (2105 BCE), On the seventeenth day of the Hebrew month of Cheshvan, rain began to fall.

The downpour continued for forty days and forty nights

Finally, the rain subsided, but the waters continued to churn for an additional 150 days.

Finally, on the first day of the Hebrew month of Tishrei of the year 1657 (2104 BCE), the water completely subsided. Close to two months later, on the twenty-seventh of Cheshvan, the ground fully dried, allowing Noah and the rest of the ark’s inhabitants to emerge.

The total time Noah spent in the ark was 365 days (one solar year; one year and 11 days on the lunar calendar).




NOW, let's address another FALLACY of YOURS!

You claim Abraham is born 2322! that's because your Version of the Bible says Terah was 130 years old when Abram was born

Abraham (who was first called Abram) was born in the year 1948 after Creation (1813 BCE)

26 And Terah lived seventy years, and he begot Abram, Nahor, and Haran. כווַֽיְחִי־תֶ֖רַח שִׁבְעִ֣ים שָׁנָ֑ה וַיּ֨וֹלֶד֙ אֶת־אַבְרָ֔ם אֶת־נָח֖וֹר וְאֶת־הָרָֽן:
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EVEN your CRAPPY Version lists this:
26 Terah was 70 years old, when he became the father of Abram, Nahor, and Haran.



You are literally off by 200 total years and at least 60 years for Abram's birth!
 
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well no it's not hilarious.

There could be a gap between 1.1 and 1.2

Because at least 10 or more scriptures indicate something on earth belongs to his heaven.

So are you saying you don't know for sure how old the earth is .
i have an idea either way i look at this. from using a Gap to just going off when Adam was created.
 

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In my studies I have found the world is about 6000 years old. Anyone else studied time from Adam?????
The world was created long before Adam. Genesis 1:2 onwards describes the restoration of the earth and the creation of a new race of beings, starting with Adam and Eve. This is known as gap theory or pre-Adamic creation. I find the evidence for this compelling. Watchman Nee's "The Mystery of Creation" examines this subject in detail. You can get it as a .pdf free from the internet.
 
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smartest thing you've said yet 😂.
but you and myself were discussing details and there's no changing the fact we did have an extensive conversation over the details.

as far as AGING is concerned, from Adam to Now, is the easiest to calculate.
before Adam, well, that's where the real discussion lies at.
 

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but you and myself were discussing details and there's no changing the fact we did have an extensive conversation over the details.

as far as AGING is concerned, from Adam to Now, is the easiest to calculate.
before Adam, well, that's where the real discussion lies at.
ummmm only God truly knows that, I would say you favour one idea over the other.

Theres to much of a debate over it, with reasoning from both sides to say yay or no.





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Did you know the Hillel II calendar and the "Jews" believe that year 1 of creation began at the year 3761BC? When we add 3761 PLUS 2023 = 5783/5784. If the "Jews" were looking for 6000 years exact, they have 216 more years? Not buying that number!

If we follow the years according to Sabbatical and Jubilee years, we begin with year 0 and the creation of Adam. The year 701 BC is Biblically and Historically documented as a 49th year Sabbatical (7 periods of 7 years) and 700 BC is a Jubilee year ( and the first year of the next Jubilee cycle) all of course beginning with the 1st month which is usually March/April.

Based on the above information Adam was created in the year 3836 BC. The Hillel II and Jews omit 75 years of 4 Kings. So the difference between the two calendars is 75 years.

3836 + 2023 =5859 years since the creation of ADAM. There is only 980 years per 20 Jubilees (49 x 20 = 980). 980 x 6 = 5880 years till the end of the 120th Jubilee cycle. We have less than 21 years to fulfill all prophecy for the end times.
 
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ummmm only God truly knows that, I would say you favour one idea over the other.

Theres to much of a debate over it, with reasoning from both sides to say yay or no..
well, Genesis 1:1 is either the TITLE, or a fact that did happen.
and knowing the true interpretation of Genesis 1:1 begins, In ""A"" beginning, makes the mind wonder a bit.

and like you mentioned, there's other Verses that could indicate a Gap, and start over.

we see it with Noah.

God has a limit and then it was enough, back then. we don't know how long Angels and Fallen Angels were around before Genesis 1:1. if this WAR between God and the Fallen Angels lasted long enough, maybe it effected more than one Creation of People, who knows?

what it does do, the weird things we read in Enoch, if there was an actual GAP, maybe a lot of Enoch is not as far fetched.

who knows what happened before Genesis 1:1, after Genesis 1:1, and between Genesis 1:2.

but i don't think many think about it for fear of someone yelling gnosticism, which would be pure baloney. we really do not know anything about before Genesis 1:1.
but somewhere, the Angels Fell, and God booted the Adversary to this planet.

so, there's a lot of time we just can't even imagine.
 

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well, Genesis 1:1 is either the TITLE, or a fact that did happen.
and knowing the true interpretation of Genesis 1:1 begins, In ""A"" beginning, makes the mind wonder a bit.

and like you mentioned, there's other Verses that could indicate a Gap, and start over.

we see it with Noah.

God has a limit and then it was enough, back then. we don't know how long Angels and Fallen Angels were around before Genesis 1:1. if this WAR between God and the Fallen Angels lasted long enough, maybe it effected more than one Creation of People, who knows?

what it does do, the weird things we read in Enoch, if there was an actual GAP, maybe a lot of Enoch is not as far fetched.

who knows what happened before Genesis 1:1, after Genesis 1:1, and between Genesis 1:2.

but i don't think many think about it for fear of someone yelling gnosticism, which would be pure baloney. we really do not know anything about before Genesis 1:1.
but somewhere, the Angels Fell, and God booted the Adversary to this planet.

so, there's a lot of time we just can't even imagine.
It's difficult to know, but I do recall angels being created to be ministers for God's people.

My heart tells me day 6 all tho still technically a day lasted as long as a thousand.

Repopulation could have happened on that day and many angels could have been here.

There could have been that many angels and people on day 6 that perhaps it wasn't even Satan who mislead eve.
 
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It's difficult to know, but I do recall angels being created to be ministers for God's people.

My heart tells me day 6 all tho still technically a day lasted as long as a thousand.

Repopulation could have happened on that day and many angels could have been here.

There could have been that many angels and people on day 6 that perhaps it wasn't even Satan who mislead eve.
do you believe when Cain was booted by God, his wife, was not part of his own family, but other people that were also created living in Nod?