How many People Think the Jews Could Be Wrong?

VCO · May 3, 2023

Yes, I do know, but it hurts me for him anyway. Here is what I posted him, offering to help.

You have to want Help. By the way Knowing JESUS goes way beyond just knowing about HIM in your head. IT IS TOTAL TRUST, a willing Surrender to HIM as LORD and Ruler of your life. It literally is Heart Knowledge of HIM, not head knowledge.

This was his answer.

Hello you are annoying me.
It’s okay though your an older man and just concerned please
Don’t be concerned for me, help others, thank you.

I can walk away from him, KNOWING it is just signs of the Times.
I really want to ask him, "Why are you Here?"
But will not, he wants to destroy others faith.
That is another site that Post On, not here. They have already banned
discussion about the Trinity. These's kind of false Christians are going
after to get management to ban discussion about the Pre-Trib Rapture, too.

This is the way I view the Rapture.

That makes it Clear, that this above event, is Later on the Timeline, as we saw in the Gospel of Mark, AND CHRIST SAID:
Mark 13:26-37 (NCV)
33 Be careful! Always be ready, because you don’t know when that time will be.

If we are READY, at Anytime; we will Be Ready at the Pre-Trib.
If we are READY, at Anytime; we will Be Ready at the Mid-Trib.
If we are READY, at Anytime; we will BE Ready at the Post-Trib.

So what is all this Bickering about ? ? ?

Thanks for the Encouragement.

cv5 · May 11, 2023

Locoponydirtman said:

Eze 16:60
Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
Eze 16:62
And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD:

Locoponydirtman · May 11, 2023

cv5 said:

That dont even affect what i wrote
I thought you put me on ignor.

cv5 · May 11, 2023

Locoponydirtman said:

It doesn't if you don't know what you are talking about. Contrarily, it must.

Locoponydirtman · May 11, 2023

cv5 said:

No, infact tjere is no reason that it should.
The promise to Abraham is fulfilled in Christ and are to the children of faith.
Nothing in what you quoted demands it be talmudist

Locoponydirtman · May 11, 2023

cv5 said:

What happened to putting me on ignor?

Bruce_Leiter · May 11, 2023

VCO said:

I will keep this short. It seems to me a LOT of Christians think the JEWS in 1212, could not be wrong about Where the TEMPLE MOUNT should be, and where the Mt. Zion has to be ? ? ? Keep in mind, the were exiled by the ROMANS for over 1000 years.

Here is a drawing that kind of says it all, that I stitched together a lot of it from different other drawings, and added what is obvious in errors due to lack of reading all Historical Documents from Josephus, and combined what with my corrections, in their Drawings, to make it as near to the Truth as I could get it. I did an over four years study on this subject, and know Scripture, and Josephus, and searching the Internet on the history of the ROMAN X Legion, to come up with this conclusion. The JEWS GOT THE TEMPLE MOUNT WRONG ON LOCATION. AND MT. ZION WAS A DIFFERENT MOUTAIN ALL TO GETTER. THE OPHEL IS MT. ZION.

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See the Covered Walkway above, called a Cloister, on the left end is where Josephus was when he made this notation:

DID YOU NOTICE THAT ON THIS FACT SHEET FROM JOSEPHUS:

QUOTE:
But if we go the other way westward, it began at the same place; and extended through a place called Bethso, to the gate of the Essenes: and after that it went southward: having its bending above the fountain Siloam; where it also bends again towards the east at Solomon’s pool, and reaches as far as a certain place which they called Ophlas [what they called the OPHEL at that time], where it was joined to the eastern cloister of the temple. The second wall took its beginning from that gate which they called Gennath, which belonged to the first wall. It only encompassed the northern quarter of the city, and reached as far as the tower Antonia. - Josephus The Jewish War Book V chapter 4
:END QUOTE.

Josephus, was born 37 AD to Died at 100 AD. He did most of his writing shortly before 70 AD. I consider him to be about the only Eye-Witness we have. After Josephus became a Christian, the Jews called him an EXAGGERATOR.

I don't think it makes any difference where anything is in Jerusalem; I just know that I'm part of the new Jerusalem of Rev. 21 and 22.

cv5 · May 11, 2023

Bruce_Leiter said:

A lot of Christians (far too many) think that its "all about them".
I've got news for you.....it ain't.
Pretty sad really.

VCO · May 19, 2023

You want to see HOW WRONG the Jews can BE?

YES Told us that No stone would be left on another in ancient Jerusalem.

Not a stone of any wall in Ancient Jerusalem (City of David) left and this is approximately 1862 Photograph, all of it is TRUE.
Not a stone from the Temple, nor the Palace of King Solomon, nor the houses, nor the Shops, nor the stables, nor Ophel Gate House, nothing left but two Farm House and their out buildings. In about 1864 on everything East of the Green Line to the Drop Off Point, fell in another Earthquake, fell into the Kidron Valley River. So only one farm House was Left. Yet the Jews insisted they thought the Western Wall was part of the outer wall of the TEMPLE. And they called JESUS is a liar. They said there wasn't enough Ground for a 600 foot Square Outer wall of the TEMPLE, but this picture proves the 600 foot Square was there in this 1862 Picture. They said if it was on the OPHEL, the Court of the Women would have a third of it would be hanging out in space, not in this Picture from 1862. They said the Temple was on the Highest Hill, but Josephus said the Highest Hill was where the Fortress of Antonia was. They Said it is on the Highest Hill, BUT Josephus said it was on the OPHEL. They said it is okay to use Cistern Water for the TEMPLE, and God Said it has to be LIVING WATER (Spring Water) and water from a Cistern is forbidden to use in the TEMPLE, and multiple cisterns are up top. They said Mount Moriah is a Single Peak, and in reality Mt. Moriah was the Whole Ridge, all the way south till it ends in the Kidron Valley. They said Mount ZION was west of the Whaling Wall, but in reality it is south, on the OPHEL.

I mean How Wrong can you GET ? Most People think after they Got kicked out of the COUNTRY in 135 A.D. They never returned until 1212 A.D. Over a 1000 year exile.

ThereRoseaLamb · May 19, 2023

VCO said:

You want to see HOW WRONG the Jews can BE?

YES Told us that No stone would be left on another in ancient Jerusalem.

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Not a stone of any wall in Ancient Jerusalem (City of David) left and this is approximately 1862 Photograph, all of it is TRUE.
Not a stone from the Temple, nor the Palace of King Solomon, nor the houses, nor the Shops, nor the stables, nor Ophel Gate House, nothing left but two Farm House and their out buildings. In about 1864 on everything East of the Green Line to the Drop Off Point, fell in another Earthquake, fell into the Kidron Valley River. So only one farm House was Left. Yet the Jews insisted they thought the Western Wall was part of the outer wall of the TEMPLE. And they called JESUS is a liar. They said there wasn't enough Ground for a 600 foot Square Outer wall of the TEMPLE, but this picture proves the 600 foot Square was there in this 1862 Picture. They said if it was on the OPHEL, the Court of the Women would have a third of it would be hanging out in space, not in this Picture from 1862. They said the Temple was on the Highest Hill, but Josephus said the Highest Hill was where the Fortress of Antonia was. They Said it is on the Highest Hill, BUT Josephus said it was on the OPHEL. They said it is okay to use Cistern Water for the TEMPLE, and God Said it has to be LIVING WATER (Spring Water) and water from a Cistern is forbidden to use in the TEMPLE, and multiple cisterns are up top. They said Mount Moriah is a Single Peak, and in reality Mt. Moriah was the Whole Ridge, all the way south till it ends in the Kidron Valley. They said Mount ZION was west of the Whaling Wall, but in reality it is south, on the OPHEL.

I mean How Wrong can you GET ? Most People think after they Got kicked out of the COUNTRY in 135 A.D. They never returned until 1212 A.D. Over a 1000 year exile.

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So just, for us not wearing the tinfoil hats, dumb it down for us. Just what are you accusing the Jews of doing with this mess of pictures. What are you saying they are guilty of?!

VCO · May 19, 2023

ThereRoseaLamb said:

After being in exile countries for over a 1000 Years before they returned to Israel, the first Job was try to identify were everything was originally located. Priority number one, was the TEMPLE. They forgot that Prince Simon bar Kokhba, after kicking the Romans out of the Country in 132 AD, He wanted to build the Third Temple, but on Mt. Zion, where the TEMPLE WAS, was a Temple to Jupiter, a slap in the face by ROMANS, to the JEWS, which in Simon's mind defiled even the bedrock where the Pagan Temple Stood. So Prince Simon brought in a Rock Quarry Crew, and Lowered Mt. Zion down to were it was Level to the adjacent property. It was a 3 year project, and just when Simon was ready to start the TEMPLE PROJECT, War Broke out with the Roman Again in 135. This time the Emperor send 10 Legions to put an end of the Jewish Revolt, and in the Last Battle Near Jerusalem, Prince Simon bar Kokhba was killed, and the rest of his men. So the Emperor Orders the rest of the JEWS out of the Country, or else they would meet the same fate as Simon.

In a Hurry to get out of the Country, a great deal was left behind, including documents about Prince Simon's orders. So NOBODY had Simon's Orders when in 1212 AD, when the Sanhedrin had the Task of determining the Location of the TEMPLE. {How do in know these things, I did a very thorough job of searching the internet, and youtube Videos, seeking the truth and identifying misinformation. That was a chore and a half, that took nearly 4 years. For the last SEVERAL, months I have been debating Skeptics, who do think I have already arrived at the TRUTH.}

So the Sanhedrin never did have a clear Majority on where the Temple was located, as there were 4 fields of thought, so they decided to put it to the VOTE, and chose the Wrong LOCATION, based on It must be on the Highest Hill. Despite there is NO LIVING WATER (Spring Water) ON THAT HIGHEST HILL. In the Old Testament times they insisted everything in the Bible had to be done EXACTLY like it was Said in the O.T. BIBLE. Now adays they seem more Liberal. It appears they think it is okay to use water from cisterns, when in Old Testament times, it was FORBIDDEN.

I think the major influence has been it has been ever since 1212, the Jews have PRAYED at the Western Wall, thinking the TEMPLE will COME to the other side of the Western Wall. That seems to be the JEWS major Stumbling Block, causing some to bend the RULES a bit to make it happen.

Their are a Number of Josephus writings that Proves them Wrong, and yet They ignore it. Josephus was a Historian around the turn of the first Century. He was a Hasidic JEW, that was known to be VERY strict, and at the age of 14, he was a Counselor to the High Priest. He was VERY familiar with LAW. It does not say, but some time late in life He became a Christian. And the JEWS think he went Crazy. He was born in 37 AD, so he never Met JESUS, and He died at 100 AD. He what hired by the Romans to BE THEIR HISTORIAN, another reason for the JEWS to mistrust him. So the Jew's NEVER would read any of his works. While as the Roman Historian, he Probably walked the Bridges know as Colonnades, and as Official Historian, He reported they were a STADE in length (600 Feet). I have NEVER FOUND A Single DRAWING anywhere near as LONG as that. So in my edited version I had to add to Bridges, until was DOUBLE LENGTH of the Bridges. The drawing of Fortress Antonia, is only about 400 feet wide, in reality it was a minimum 600 feet wide.

Now for the final piece of the Puzzle. On line I found site that had a very old Topographical map, and it was just Black and White line drawing. Then I found a more modern article that seemed to have an enhanced version, so that would be a clear indication it was already in the realm of public domain. Stlll I updated it, and made it a little different, to respect original author intensions. So how did I get a Public Domain image to an outlined in Image of Mount Moriah in green? Pay Close attentions to details.

So how do I know this image is from a very old book ? I Not only did I recognize that it was done with a hand scanner, on probably about a 1880 book. I used to have a hand scanner, and I had colored lines show up once in awhile, the blurring down in the lower right hand corner, is typical of a HAND SCANNER. Yes I have a collection of very old books with pictures in it.

So I read two articles that said Mt. Moriah was the name of the whole Ridge. PLUS if you do not say Mt. Moriah is the whole Ridge, and Mt. Zion is the single Peak right in the middle of it; you have created an error in the Bible, without even knowing it.

Joel 3:17 (HCSB)
17 Then you will know that I am Yahweh your God, who dwells in Zion, My holy mountain. Jerusalem will be holy, and foreigners will never overrun it again.

2 Chronicles 3:1 (HCSB)
1 Then Solomon began to build the LORD’s temple in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah where the LORD had appeared to his father David, at the site David had prepared on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.

Now are you not calling GOD a liar, if you think it is on the Highest Hill ? But if you understand that Mt. Moriah is the Name of the WHOLE RIDGE, and Solomon chose the specific location Mt. Zion to build on, BOTH VERSES ARE IN PERFECT HARMONY.

What about the Location of Mt. ZION to the west ? ? ? Mis-named by 1212 AD, by the Sanhedrin. IT HAS to be SOUTH, the only place on Mt. Moriah Ridge it could be!

ThereRoseaLamb · May 19, 2023

VCO said:

After being in exile countries for over a 1000 Years before they returned to Israel, the first Job was try to identify were everything was originally located. Priority number one, was the TEMPLE. They forgot that Prince Simon bar Kokhba, after kicking the Romans out of the Country in 132 AD, He wanted to build the Third Temple, but on Mt. Zion, where the TEMPLE WAS, was a Temple to Jupiter, a slap in the face by ROMANS, to the JEWS, which in Simon's mind defiled even the bedrock where the Pagan Temple Stood. So Prince Simon brought in a Rock Quarry Crew, and Lowered Mt. Zion down to were it was Level to the adjacent property. It was a 3 year project, and just when Simon was ready to start the TEMPLE PROJECT, War Broke out with the Roman Again in 135. This time the Emperor send 10 Legions to put an end of the Jewish Revolt, and in the Last Battle Near Jerusalem, Prince Simon bar Kokhba was killed, and the rest of his men. So the Emperor Orders the rest of the JEWS out of the Country, or else they would meet the same fate as Simon.

In a Hurry to get out of the Country, a great deal was left behind, including documents about Prince Simon's orders. So NOBODY had Simon's Orders when in 1212 AD, when the Sanhedrin had the Task of determining the Location of the TEMPLE. {How do in know these things, I did a very thorough job of searching the internet, and youtube Videos, seeking the truth and identifying misinformation. That was a chore and a half, that took nearly 4 years. For the last SEVERAL, months I have been debating Skeptics, who do think I have already arrived at the TRUTH.}

So the Sanhedrin never did have a clear Majority on where the Temple was located, as there were 4 fields of thought, so they decided to put it to the VOTE, and chose the Wrong LOCATION, based on It must be on the Highest Hill. Despite there is NO LIVING WATER (Spring Water) ON THAT HIGHEST HILL. In the Old Testament times they insisted everything in the Bible had to be done EXACTLY like it was Said in the O.T. BIBLE. Now adays they seem more Liberal. It appears they think it is okay to use water from cisterns, when in Old Testament times, it was FORBIDDEN.

I think the major influence has been it has been ever since 1212, the Jews have PRAYED at the Western Wall, thinking the TEMPLE will COME to the other side of the Western Wall. That seems to be the JEWS major Stumbling Block, causing some to bend the RULES a bit to make it happen.

Their are a Number of Josephus writings that Proves them Wrong, and yet They ignore it. Josephus was a Historian around the turn of the first Century. He was a Hasidic JEW, that was known to be VERY strict, and at the age of 14, he was a Counselor to the High Priest. He was VERY familiar with LAW. It does not say, but some time late in life He became a Christian. And the JEWS think he went Crazy. He was born in 37 AD, so he never Met JESUS, and He died at 100 AD. He what hired by the Romans to BE THEIR HISTORIAN, another reason for the JEWS to mistrust him. So the Jew's NEVER would read any of his works. While as the Roman Historian, he Probably walked the Bridges know as Colonnades, and as Official Historian, He reported they were a STADE in length (600 Feet). I have NEVER FOUND A Single DRAWING anywhere near as LONG as that. So in my edited version I had to add to Bridges, until was DOUBLE LENGTH of the Bridges. The drawing of Fortress Antonia, is only about 400 feet wide, in reality it was a minimum 600 feet wide.

Now for the final piece of the Puzzle. On line I found site that had a very old Topographical map, and it was just Black and White line drawing. Then I found a more modern article that seemed to have an enhanced version, so that would be a clear indication it was already in the realm of public domain. Stlll I updated it, and made it a little different, to respect original author intensions. So how did I get a Public Domain image to an outlined in Image of Mount Moriah in green? Pay Close attentions to details.

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So how do I know this image is from a very old book ? I Not only did I recognize that it was done with a hand scanner, on probably about a 1880 book. I used to have a hand scanner, and I had colored lines show up once in awhile, the blurring down in the lower right hand corner, is typical of a HAND SCANNER. Yes I have a collection of very old books with pictures in it.

So I read two articles that said Mt. Moriah was the name of the whole Ridge. PLUS if you do not say Mt. Moriah is the whole Ridge, and Mt. Zion is the single Peak right in the middle of it; you have created an error in the Bible, without even knowing it.

Joel 3:17 (HCSB)
17 Then you will know that I am Yahweh your God, who dwells in Zion, My holy mountain. Jerusalem will be holy, and foreigners will never overrun it again.

2 Chronicles 3:1 (HCSB)
1 Then Solomon began to build the LORD’s temple in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah where the LORD had appeared to his father David, at the site David had prepared on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.

Now are you not calling GOD a liar, if you think it is on the Highest Hill ? But if you understand that Mt. Moriah is the Name of the WHOLE RIDGE, and Solomon chose the specific location Mt. Zion to build on, BOTH VERSES ARE IN PERFECT HARMONY.

What about the Location of Mt. ZION to the west ? ? ? Mis-named by 1212 AD, by the Sanhedrin. IT HAS to be SOUTH, the only place on Mt. Moriah Ridge it could be!

This is going to take time to read. I will give it a look when I get some time. A lot of info here.

Radius · May 19, 2023

Dont you have a huge thread on this topic already? We've been over this. Archeological evidence proves the temple was on the temple mount, and even IF the temple stood on the ophel, given the dimension of the temple, it would have stood out over the Kidron valley and touching the Mount of Olives.

VCO · May 19, 2023

pottersclay said:

Isaiah 46:11 (NCV)
11 I am calling a man from the east to carry out my plan; he will come like a hawk from a country far away. I will make what I have said come true; I will do what I have planned.

The Third Temple is Prophesied in the BIBLE, the one where Antichrist walks in and demands to Worshipped.
And on top of it all there is a FOURTH TEMPLE in the BIBLE, the one Christ will build in it himself after the Second Coming, Ezekiel's Temple.

Study the Bible for REAL, you may learn something.

pottersclay · May 20, 2023

VCO said:

Thanks for the criticism, this reply is not as read it is in a form of a question. A reply to what another believes.
I do believe everyone here knows i do defend against replacement theology, anti-Semitism, and endorse the building of the third temple.

ThereRoseaLamb · May 20, 2023

pottersclay said:

Yeah I gave it all a quick read and I think my answer is the same as yours.

VCO · May 20, 2023

ThereRoseaLamb said:

And all of it spun out of a prejudice of an ex-councilor of the High Priest becoming a Christian, instead of remaining a loyal JEW.

VCO · May 21, 2023

I made a new Patch Work Picture of the of 12 different drawing to make up a new drawing of the so-called Temple mount. There are lots of Christians still ASSUME the Jews got it right, that the Temple Belongs on the Highest Hill. They are WRONG as it can be. The Temple was 600 feet south of the Southern Wall of the so-called Temple Mount. In my Post #449, you will see it confirms with an 1862 Photograph that the Drop-Off point into the Kidron Valley is dead even with the Eastern Wall. The Southern Wall is 922 Feet long corner to corner. The Temple Outer Wall was 600 FEET EACH WAY. I marked the correct location on the wall were the 600 Feet ends. Josephus says: The Furlong (660 Feet) is the Length of the Colonnades (2 running paths on each of the two double bridges) running from the Southwest Corner of the so-called Temple Mount, to the North Outer Wall of the TEMPLE near the Northwest Corner. What's that Spell, to you ? ? ? Virtually the ROMANS X Legion Had to have to RUN IN CASE THE ZEALOTS STEARED UP A REBELLION IN THE TEMPLE. FOUR LINES OF TROOPS TO PUT DOWN THE REBELLION. Interestingly Josephus said HE WITNESS SUCH A REBELLION that CLASHED IN THE CENTER OF THOSE COLONNADES. It was a Slaughter, he did not mention the Body Count. You take in take in consideration Untrained ZEALOTS, against Battle Hardened Roman X Legion with 6000 Troops behind them, a complete slaughter. Another thing that also Spells, Is Almost every drawing of the TEMPLE compared to the Fortress is WRONG, NO Colonnades Long enough, or Lack of any Colonnades.

Highest HILL is the Wrong Location, Temple is on the OPHEL. Right Location, but too short of Colonnades for the Roman Troops.

Here is my Patch Work drawing:

Even on my patch work drawing the Colonnades are at least a 150 feet too Short.

VCO · May 21, 2023

Now Put your Thinking Cap on. If you have RESERVED a Space in the Sables with a the K, which according to European Equestris Code, means RESERVED for the EMPEROR's, Horse; about 20 Feet inside the Farthest RIGHT Doorway in the so-called Temple Mount Wall. That Just might mean the ENTIRE COMPLEX ON THE THIRD FLOOR also BELONG's to the ROMAN X LEGION ?

I am sure the English word for Cavalry, translates to Equestris in Roman Times.

VCO · May 21, 2023

I made a remarkable find. I was going to save it for Later, but I was so impressed with this VERY, VERY OLD DRAWING, I just had to share it now. I think this was published in a book that dated back to the 1700's. It appears to me it is Old enough to be an original woodcut. In Gustav Dores days only his early art work was Woodcuts. That literally after the artist drew the Picture, he then took the Picture to another artist, who was very skilled at cutting the picture into a piece of wood. Rolled ink on the now wooden Picture, put it into a press, and pressed it on Paper. Woodcuts were good only to print a couple of hundred copies. The lightness toward the outside of the picture, means it was getting near the end. After that they had to do another woodcut to resume the printing.

Look at how paper aged back then, that also gave me a clue of the age. I wonder if he ever saw Jerusalem, as never saw this interior sectioned off like that, so maybe it is a result of his minds eye. What looks like weeds, is supposed People, so the woodcut was also deteriorating in those places to.

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