How to love your family, when God hates the nonelects?

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Blain

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People's unique testimonies remind us that there is more going on then we realize inside a person's mind and heart.
Yes magentas testimony is inspiring to me she is probably the one person here I always boast about she is such a wonderful soul and I am blessed just to know her
 

Grace911

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I know for a fact, that am the only one in my family that is one of God's elects. After the true gospel is told to them, their fruit is revealed that they are nonelects.
I would like to hear "the true gospel" they are told. Can you share?
 

Magenta

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People's unique testimonies remind us that there is more going on then we realize inside a person's mind and heart.
I was thinking along the same lines... of how different we are even in our shared experiences, and how
uniquely our own each of our stories is, with the common denominator being Jesus and the love of God.
Perhaps it will give pause to the OP, and help him extend grace to those who remain faithless in his family.
 

Beckie

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I know for a fact, that am the only one in my family that is one of God's elects. After the true gospel is told to them, their fruit is revealed that they are nonelects.
We do not know who is or is not elect. Could be it is not God's time to open their eyes. Could be He is doing a work in you what is your fruit?
 
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Can't imagine not witnessing to the Lost, because I look at them, like God HATES Them and so I then condemned them to Hell because I think they're beyond help.
 

Dino246

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I know for a fact, that am the only one in my family that is one of God's elects. After the true gospel is told to them, their fruit is revealed that they are nonelects.
Start by loving the truth and hating bad theology. Loving your family will follow.
 

Bob-Carabbio

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You know that just really saddens me. Anyone with sense can see we are running out of time fast before everything changes no matter your stance on the last seven years anyone with even a little understanding of bible prophecy can see what we are in right now isn't normal.
I've been here now for almost 81 years, and everything seems to be steaming along in a completely NORMAL fashion. The folks in ROME some centuries ago where experiencing pretty much the same issues, as THEIR Government started coming apart around them. The U.S. has been in a "Political Death spiral" for quite a few years already, and will simply continue it's descent into mediocrity. Maybe China will be the new "Superpower" that replaces us. I wouldn't want to be my grand kids.
 
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But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
Romans 10:6‭-‬7 NKJV
 

HeIsHere

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I've been here now for almost 81 years, and everything seems to be steaming along in a completely NORMAL fashion. The folks in ROME some centuries ago where experiencing pretty much the same issues, as THEIR Government started coming apart around them. The U.S. has been in a "Political Death spiral" for quite a few years already, and will simply continue it's descent into mediocrity. Maybe China will be the new "Superpower" that replaces us. I wouldn't want to be my grand kids.
History is cyclical, civilization reach their pinnacle and then fall.
Yet, this seems like a different fall for the USA, more like a planned demolish unlike Rome.
 

Blain

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I've been here now for almost 81 years, and everything seems to be steaming along in a completely NORMAL fashion. The folks in ROME some centuries ago where experiencing pretty much the same issues, as THEIR Government started coming apart around them. The U.S. has been in a "Political Death spiral" for quite a few years already, and will simply continue it's descent into mediocrity. Maybe China will be the new "Superpower" that replaces us. I wouldn't want to be my grand kids.
If you really think things are just as they usually are then your not paying attention.
In all of your 81 years have seen things this bad? Yes there are earthquakes and war and rumors of wars but never on this scale.
To get a non believer to admit there is a God from studying the earthquakes is not normal. There is a guy who studies earthquakes and there was reported at one point not long ago that 50 earthquakes hit Texas at once/ If you didn't know that many at once is not normal the man said there had to be a God this wasn't possible otherwise.

The birth pains are not just much more frequent but much more frequent. Maybe do some studying on the signs of the times I know several older gentlemen and one older women who told me themselves that they haven't seen things at this scale in all their lives one of them told me his father had only seen one end time sign in his life and that was the returning of the jews to Isral but that also is when the last generation and when the countdown really started. If you ever want to know where we are in the end times always look at Israel
 

Bob-Carabbio

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If you really think things are just as they usually are then your not paying attention.
In all of your 81 years have seen things this bad?
You've forgotten the "Cold war", people building BOMB SHELTERS in their back yard to not die when Russia sent nuclear missiles, Rationing, etc.

BUT HEY!!! if you want to think things are worse, go ahead. The only thing WORSE would be Biden - no - wait!! there was Jimmy Carter.
Personally I'm in good shape, well fed, and debt free. I'm not in an earthquake, OR a flood zone, and the next SIGNIFICANT thing in life will be my death. PANIC, if that lights your fire. I'll take vanilla.
 

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I know for a fact, that am the only one in my family that is one of God's elects. After the true gospel is told to them, their fruit is revealed that they are nonelects.
Many have weighed in on your thread and I am not sure you are even monitoring your own thread but I too shall weigh in.

FIRST: I find your tag - "HatedForNoReason" - quite interesting. One can be hated for a lot of reasons but if you are indeed one of God's Elect and have come to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, then being hated is explained in Scripture:

Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
John 15:18 If the world hateth you, ye know that it hath hated me before it hated you
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SECOND: The world and family do not hate because one calls themselves a Christian but because one holds to Doctrinal Truths that are hated by both. The closer to the Truth you get, the more you will be hated by the world and the more you will be loved by Christ and His Saints. The amount of hate dished out upon you will vary with your audience. I have found that nonreligionist will find what you are saying as foolishness and annoying but they usually do not react with outward hatred per say. On the other hand, Religionist (Which does not mean - True Believers), will show outward anger and hatred for what you are saying because they are steeped in their Religious Dogma or their salvation experience does not match what you are saying is the Truth. Just mention any of these: God's Sovereignty in Election - Predestination - Spiritual Depravity - Regeneration before ability to believe - Once saved always saved - for example and the fight is on and the poisonous venom begins to spew from their mouths.

Why? Because you are saying that God is in control of ALL aspects of His Plan of Salvation. The Depraved mind cannot stand being told they have no ability to understand and accomplish this plan. God must do it all or all of creation will be lost because of Adam's FALL.

Having said all that, I must give word of caution about part of your post:

You said:
I know for a fact, that am the only one in my family that is one of God's elects.

That... my dear friend... would be impossible.

Only God knows who was Elected from Eternity Past and only God knows the time of that person's Regeneration. As believers, we can only tell how one is excepting the Gospel, at this particular point in time. They could be one of God's Elect but their Regeneration, by the Holy Spirit, may still be in the future. This is why the Gospel is proclaimed indiscriminately to all because we do not know who the Elect are. Even if the message is rejected, we should try again from time to time because if that person is Regenerated, the change in attitude about Biblical things will occur almost instantly. This is the power of God's Salvation at work.

So do not despair, pray for your family always, perchance God might visit them and bring them Salvation. Remember, that God does not hear the prayers of lost sinners. John 9:31 We know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and do his will, him he heareth. Therefore, true believers must hold our loved ones before God but we must recognize that our petition may not be in the will of God. (In other words, God is not going to make a nonelected person Elect just because we asked.)

Once believers are before the Lord, we will know then who the Elect are.
 

Blain

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You've forgotten the "Cold war", people building BOMB SHELTERS in their back yard to not die when Russia sent nuclear missiles, Rationing, etc.

BUT HEY!!! if you want to think things are worse, go ahead. The only thing WORSE would be Biden - no - wait!! there was Jimmy Carter.
Personally I'm in good shape, well fed, and debt free. I'm not in an earthquake, OR a flood zone, and the next SIGNIFICANT thing in life will be my death. PANIC, if that lights your fire. I'll take vanilla.
Tell me do you know about the ephrates rivers and what the bible says about it in regards to the end times?
 

Fillan

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I know for a fact, that am the only one in my family that is one of God's elects. After the true gospel is told to them, their fruit is revealed that they are nonelects.
Prayer changes things. For example Amos the prophet interceded with God and the judgement described did not happen

(Amos 7:3) So the Lord relented. “This will not happen,” the Lord said.

The prayer of the righteous man is powerful and effective. God Bless :)
 

Pilgrimshope

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How to love your family, when God hates the nonelects?


God loves your family, every single one of them. That is the Gospel. What manner of mush have you been feeding on?

John 3
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Peter 3:9 “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
Hence the problem pre election and no free Will to choose life or death

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭

anyone can be saved but many will not be saved because they reject Gods one and only offer of salvation given to all creatures on earth

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it isnt that God is saying some are already doomed and can’t be saved and some op be saved no matter what they do “ not at all instead he’s shown us salvation and said

whoever hears and believes will be saved ,

whoever doesn’t believe will be damned
 
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Nonelects can't be saved. God only chose God's elects to be saved. No amount of man's efforts can save a person. God will only give the Holy Spirit to his elects.

If you are interested in freedom from sin and how do we receive the Holy Spirit? read below.
After God gave me the Holy Spirit, I found proof that TV, movies, novels, music, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons and Christian music words that gives messages. I found out that in them there is lying, stealing, adultery (Matthew 5:28 looking at someone with lust is adultery), fornication which is sex before marriage, revenge, murder, jealousy, pride=self-pity, hypocrisy, using God’s name in vain as a curse word, they are all idols (breaks 2nd Commandment) because most people can’t live without them and they love them more than God and more. Just read the 10 commandments for a list.


1 John 2:15 King James Version (KJV)


15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 New King James Version

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.


Now I will be preaching about how to receive the Holy Spirit and be 100% going to Heaven.

First, it’s only by the grace of God that he gives you faith in Jesus Christ in order to give up your sins. It’s only by the grace of God that he leads you to pray to him to destroy all your evil desires of watching TV or any sinful desires. When you pray to God to destroy all your evil desires of watching TV or sinful desires (Romans 6:6-7 and Galatians 5:24), Satan will intervene and extremely tempt you in watching the TV. But if it’s God’s will and if you are one of God’s elects, you will overcome it and God will destroy all your evil desires of watching TV. After God has destroyed all your evil desires of watching TV and if you are one of God’s elects, you receive the joy of the Holy Spirit for about 40 minutes. After the joy wears off, all existence of boredom no longer exists and you no longer burn out (psychology) anymore. That is when you have received the Holy Spirit.

Then it’s by the grace of God that he forgives you of your sins, as you confess and repent of your sins throughout your life which is called sanctification. But you can watch Christian stuff that don’t have sins (Like sermons) because that helps you grow more mature as a Christian spiritually and for more information about this sermon, go to spreadthegospel59.wordpress.com then go to
The short version of “To be free from sin (sin deceives and hurts everyone) and how do we receive the Holy Spirit?”


https://www.gotquestions.org/calvinism.html

Total Depravity - As a result of Adam’s fall, the entire human race is affected; all humanity is dead in trespasses and sins. Man is unable to save himself (Genesis 6:5; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:10-18).

Unconditional Election - Because man is dead in sin, he is unable to initiate a response to God; therefore, in eternity past God elected certain people to salvation. Election and predestination are unconditional; they are not based on man’s response (Romans 8:29-30;9:11; Ephesians 1:4-6, 11-12) because man is unable to respond, nor does he want to.

Limited Atonement - Because God determined that certain ones should be saved as a result of God’s unconditional election, He determined that Christ should die for the elect alone. All whom God has elected and for whom Christ died will be saved (Matthew 1:21; John 10:11; 17:9; Acts 20:28; Romans 8:32; Ephesians 5:25).

Irresistible Grace - Those whom God elected He draws to Himself through irresistible grace. God makes man willing to come to Him. When God calls, man responds (John 6:37, 44; 10:16).

Perseverance of the Saints - The precise ones God has elected and drawn to Himself through the Holy Spirit will persevere in faith. None whom God has elected will be lost; they are eternally secure (John 10:27-29; Romans 8:29-30; Ephesians 1:3-14).


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Matthew 10:34-39
New King James Version


Christ Brings Division
34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set[a] a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.
You don’t have the Holy Spirit.
Galatians 5:22-23 testifies to that.