How to love your family, when God hates the nonelects?
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I was thinking along the same lines... of how different we are even in our shared experiences, and how
uniquely our own each of our stories is, with the common denominator being Jesus and the love of God.
Perhaps it will give pause to the OP, and help him extend grace to those who remain faithless in his family.
uniquely our own each of our stories is, with the common denominator being Jesus and the love of God.
Perhaps it will give pause to the OP, and help him extend grace to those who remain faithless in his family.
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I've been here now for almost 81 years, and everything seems to be steaming along in a completely NORMAL fashion. The folks in ROME some centuries ago where experiencing pretty much the same issues, as THEIR Government started coming apart around them. The U.S. has been in a "Political Death spiral" for quite a few years already, and will simply continue it's descent into mediocrity. Maybe China will be the new "Superpower" that replaces us. I wouldn't want to be my grand kids.
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If you really think things are just as they usually are then your not paying attention.
In all of your 81 years have seen things this bad? Yes there are earthquakes and war and rumors of wars but never on this scale.
To get a non believer to admit there is a God from studying the earthquakes is not normal. There is a guy who studies earthquakes and there was reported at one point not long ago that 50 earthquakes hit Texas at once/ If you didn't know that many at once is not normal the man said there had to be a God this wasn't possible otherwise.
The birth pains are not just much more frequent but much more frequent. Maybe do some studying on the signs of the times I know several older gentlemen and one older women who told me themselves that they haven't seen things at this scale in all their lives one of them told me his father had only seen one end time sign in his life and that was the returning of the jews to Isral but that also is when the last generation and when the countdown really started. If you ever want to know where we are in the end times always look at Israel
In all of your 81 years have seen things this bad? Yes there are earthquakes and war and rumors of wars but never on this scale.
To get a non believer to admit there is a God from studying the earthquakes is not normal. There is a guy who studies earthquakes and there was reported at one point not long ago that 50 earthquakes hit Texas at once/ If you didn't know that many at once is not normal the man said there had to be a God this wasn't possible otherwise.
The birth pains are not just much more frequent but much more frequent. Maybe do some studying on the signs of the times I know several older gentlemen and one older women who told me themselves that they haven't seen things at this scale in all their lives one of them told me his father had only seen one end time sign in his life and that was the returning of the jews to Isral but that also is when the last generation and when the countdown really started. If you ever want to know where we are in the end times always look at Israel
You've forgotten the "Cold war", people building BOMB SHELTERS in their back yard to not die when Russia sent nuclear missiles, Rationing, etc.
BUT HEY!!! if you want to think things are worse, go ahead. The only thing WORSE would be Biden - no - wait!! there was Jimmy Carter.
Personally I'm in good shape, well fed, and debt free. I'm not in an earthquake, OR a flood zone, and the next SIGNIFICANT thing in life will be my death. PANIC, if that lights your fire. I'll take vanilla.
BUT HEY!!! if you want to think things are worse, go ahead. The only thing WORSE would be Biden - no - wait!! there was Jimmy Carter.
Personally I'm in good shape, well fed, and debt free. I'm not in an earthquake, OR a flood zone, and the next SIGNIFICANT thing in life will be my death. PANIC, if that lights your fire. I'll take vanilla.
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Many have weighed in on your thread and I am not sure you are even monitoring your own thread but I too shall weigh in.
FIRST: I find your tag - "HatedForNoReason" - quite interesting. One can be hated for a lot of reasons but if you are indeed one of God's Elect and have come to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, then being hated is explained in Scripture:
Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
John 15:18 If the world hateth you, ye know that it hath hated me before it hated you.
SECOND: The world and family do not hate because one calls themselves a Christian but because one holds to Doctrinal Truths that are hated by both. The closer to the Truth you get, the more you will be hated by the world and the more you will be loved by Christ and His Saints. The amount of hate dished out upon you will vary with your audience. I have found that nonreligionist will find what you are saying as foolishness and annoying but they usually do not react with outward hatred per say. On the other hand, Religionist (Which does not mean - True Believers), will show outward anger and hatred for what you are saying because they are steeped in their Religious Dogma or their salvation experience does not match what you are saying is the Truth. Just mention any of these: God's Sovereignty in Election - Predestination - Spiritual Depravity - Regeneration before ability to believe - Once saved always saved - for example and the fight is on and the poisonous venom begins to spew from their mouths.
Why? Because you are saying that God is in control of ALL aspects of His Plan of Salvation. The Depraved mind cannot stand being told they have no ability to understand and accomplish this plan. God must do it all or all of creation will be lost because of Adam's FALL.
Having said all that, I must give word of caution about part of your post:
You said:
I know for a fact, that am the only one in my family that is one of God's elects.
That... my dear friend... would be impossible.
Only God knows who was Elected from Eternity Past and only God knows the time of that person's Regeneration. As believers, we can only tell how one is excepting the Gospel, at this particular point in time. They could be one of God's Elect but their Regeneration, by the Holy Spirit, may still be in the future. This is why the Gospel is proclaimed indiscriminately to all because we do not know who the Elect are. Even if the message is rejected, we should try again from time to time because if that person is Regenerated, the change in attitude about Biblical things will occur almost instantly. This is the power of God's Salvation at work.
So do not despair, pray for your family always, perchance God might visit them and bring them Salvation. Remember, that God does not hear the prayers of lost sinners. John 9:31 We know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and do his will, him he heareth. Therefore, true believers must hold our loved ones before God but we must recognize that our petition may not be in the will of God. (In other words, God is not going to make a nonelected person Elect just because we asked.)
Once believers are before the Lord, we will know then who the Elect are.
FIRST: I find your tag - "HatedForNoReason" - quite interesting. One can be hated for a lot of reasons but if you are indeed one of God's Elect and have come to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, then being hated is explained in Scripture:
Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
John 15:18 If the world hateth you, ye know that it hath hated me before it hated you.
SECOND: The world and family do not hate because one calls themselves a Christian but because one holds to Doctrinal Truths that are hated by both. The closer to the Truth you get, the more you will be hated by the world and the more you will be loved by Christ and His Saints. The amount of hate dished out upon you will vary with your audience. I have found that nonreligionist will find what you are saying as foolishness and annoying but they usually do not react with outward hatred per say. On the other hand, Religionist (Which does not mean - True Believers), will show outward anger and hatred for what you are saying because they are steeped in their Religious Dogma or their salvation experience does not match what you are saying is the Truth. Just mention any of these: God's Sovereignty in Election - Predestination - Spiritual Depravity - Regeneration before ability to believe - Once saved always saved - for example and the fight is on and the poisonous venom begins to spew from their mouths.
Why? Because you are saying that God is in control of ALL aspects of His Plan of Salvation. The Depraved mind cannot stand being told they have no ability to understand and accomplish this plan. God must do it all or all of creation will be lost because of Adam's FALL.
Having said all that, I must give word of caution about part of your post:
You said:
I know for a fact, that am the only one in my family that is one of God's elects.
That... my dear friend... would be impossible.
Only God knows who was Elected from Eternity Past and only God knows the time of that person's Regeneration. As believers, we can only tell how one is excepting the Gospel, at this particular point in time. They could be one of God's Elect but their Regeneration, by the Holy Spirit, may still be in the future. This is why the Gospel is proclaimed indiscriminately to all because we do not know who the Elect are. Even if the message is rejected, we should try again from time to time because if that person is Regenerated, the change in attitude about Biblical things will occur almost instantly. This is the power of God's Salvation at work.
So do not despair, pray for your family always, perchance God might visit them and bring them Salvation. Remember, that God does not hear the prayers of lost sinners. John 9:31 We know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and do his will, him he heareth. Therefore, true believers must hold our loved ones before God but we must recognize that our petition may not be in the will of God. (In other words, God is not going to make a nonelected person Elect just because we asked.)
Once believers are before the Lord, we will know then who the Elect are.
Hence the problem pre election and no free Will to choose life or death
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
1 John 2:1-2
anyone can be saved but many will not be saved because they reject Gods one and only offer of salvation given to all creatures on earth
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
it isnt that God is saying some are already doomed and can’t be saved and some op be saved no matter what they do “ not at all instead he’s shown us salvation and said
whoever hears and believes will be saved ,
whoever doesn’t believe will be damned
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
1 John 2:1-2
anyone can be saved but many will not be saved because they reject Gods one and only offer of salvation given to all creatures on earth
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
it isnt that God is saying some are already doomed and can’t be saved and some op be saved no matter what they do “ not at all instead he’s shown us salvation and said
whoever hears and believes will be saved ,
whoever doesn’t believe will be damned
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