problem related to praying in tongues

The "miracle" was in the speaking. Don't forget there were 12 apostles speaking...

Was the number of dialects less than or equal to 12 (11) or more than 12 (11)?

the miracle in Acts seems to me to be much more likely to be in the hearing than the speaking - which doesn't discount the gift of tongues, but possibly comments on it.

If I spoke in English could you know what I said? Those that were in the Upper Room spoke by the Holy Ghost.

How long must I bear with you, babes in Christ!

The speaker spoke a dialect they didn’t understand, the hearers ear them through the air waves what the speakers said. 🙂

Was the number of dialects less than or equal to 12 (11) or more than 12 (11)?

the miracle in Acts seems to me to be much more likely to be in the hearing than the speaking - which doesn't discount the gift of tongues, but possibly comments on it.

I assume if you spoke in English I would understand it. But the Apostles spoke whatever language they spoke and those who heard it recognized it as another language but heard in their language. There is significance to this. You seem uninterested in knowing what. And that's fine.
And if you genuinely believe that I am a babe, you should be careful how you relate. Jesus doesn't take kindly to those who mistreat His little ones.

Actually, I had a little quiet chuckle about this, you latest post.

NO, there not the same!

We need building up in our faith daily, so the prayer language is given us to use at anytime, it is an utterance given by the Spirit to use whenever and wherever, but I suggest one do so under their breath when in public.

The gift of tongues is for where two or three are gathered in his name,

Was the number of dialects less than or equal to 12 (11) or more than 12 (11)?

the miracle in Acts seems to me to be much more likely to be in the hearing than the speaking - which doesn't discount the gift of tongues, but possibly comments on it.

I assume if you spoke in English I would understand it. But the Apostles spoke whatever language they spoke and those who heard it recognized it as another language but heard in their language. There is significance to this. You seem uninterested in knowing what. And that's fine.
And if you genuinely believe that I am a babe, you should be careful how you relate. Jesus doesn't take kindly to those who mistreat His little ones.

I’ll make simple, the disciples of the Lord spoke in a dialect they didn’t understand, the foreigners (dispersed Jews) living outside of Israel heard them speak their own language. They spoke in, to them were an unknown language, in tongues, the hearers heard, through the air waves their own language. The miracle was not in the hearing, but the speaking.

They recognized their own language.

What is "the perfect" ?

Is it the complete scripture?

I'm actually in process of rereading Acts 2. Also Acts 1 as well because I wasn't sure who "they" was in Acts 2:1.
Acts 2:4 definitely had those who were gathered together speaking in tongues they didn't know. That certainly would have included the Apostles. Not sure if it included the women and family of Jesus or even others of the 120 or so mentioned in Acts 1.

Acts 2:6 does have the hearers hearing in their own languages. It's probably a fair assumption that those speaking in tongues unknown to themselves were actually the languages of the hearers,

although the text doesn't make that explicit unless the word used for tongues actually means a known language.

Since I'm linguistically and etymologically challenged, I'll leave that to the more scholarly.

Does a cessationist believe that gifts of knowledge, teaching, giving, have ceased.

Have all the ministries of the Holy Spirit ceased?

Administration, healing, helping, teaching, and obviously evangelism?

I think what you believe may be incorrect, unworkable.

I believe the only people who initially received the Holy Spirit were the 12 apostles.
For several reasons, I also believed it happened in the Temple, not in the upper room.


That's what I believe.


Tongues simply means languages. They may be known or unknown. They are definitely unknown to the person speaking (1 Cor 14:2, 17).


Have a great night.

For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 1 Cor 14:2
Praying in tongues is useful when praying for something when we don't have all the details, thew Holy Spirit hears it and knows the Heavenly language. Like anything else it can be abused.

I'd be interested in knowing why you believe it was the Temple. The text doesn't preclude it, but the last reference to their whereabouts was the house where they were sitting...Acts 2:2.

The apostles "abode" in the upper room (Acts 1:13). That's where they lived. Women would not be in a room where men lived, it was culturally taboo. They continued in prayer with the women (v14), but that would not have been in the upper room. Luke 24:53 says they were continually in the Temple. That's where I believe they were meeting together and praying. Houses in Jerusalem were generally quite small, likely not big enough to hold 120 people. Also, "the house" (Acts 2:2) was a common name for the Temple.

Concerning why I believe only the twelve received the initial outpouring, to find the the antecedant for the pronouns in the first few verses of Acts 2, you have to look back to chapter 1.

Acts 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they [Matthias and the eleven] were all with one accord in one place.
Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
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Acts 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
The people speaking were men, further evidence that the initial outpouring was only on the twelve apostles.

..heading for bed. God bless.

Christianity has speaking in tongues, a manifestation of the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Luke 11:
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Rhyming noises are not tongues.