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I assume if you spoke in English I would understand it. But the Apostles spoke whatever language they spoke and those who heard it recognized it as another language but heard in their language. There is significance to this. You seem uninterested in knowing what. And that's fine.
And if you genuinely believe that I am a babe, you should be careful how you relate. Jesus doesn't take kindly to those who mistreat His little ones.
And if you genuinely believe that I am a babe, you should be careful how you relate. Jesus doesn't take kindly to those who mistreat His little ones.
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I’ll make simple, the disciples of the Lord spoke in a dialect they didn’t understand, the foreigners (dispersed Jews) living outside of Israel heard them speak their own language. They spoke in, to them were an unknown language, in tongues, the hearers heard, through the air waves their own language. The miracle was not in the hearing, but the speaking.
(9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judæa, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome.)
(9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judæa, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome.)
I'm glad you were amused.
Yes, they are.
You're in good company. Paul said it before you did.
1 Cor 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
When tongues is spoken aloud in the church, it must be interpreted, and the person who spoke in tongues is to be the one who interprets (1 Cor 14:5, 13).
The manifestation of tongues is speaking in tongues, whether the Christian does it quietly to himself or aloud with an interpretation in the church.
[quotq]I would not believe it if it was used in at work, at the dentist, nor anywhere that they have not gathered in his name. 🙂
Jude 20
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,[/QUOTE]
Yes. Praying in the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues (Cp Eph 6:18).
Yes, they are.
You're in good company. Paul said it before you did.
1 Cor 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
When tongues is spoken aloud in the church, it must be interpreted, and the person who spoke in tongues is to be the one who interprets (1 Cor 14:5, 13).
The manifestation of tongues is speaking in tongues, whether the Christian does it quietly to himself or aloud with an interpretation in the church.
[quotq]I would not believe it if it was used in at work, at the dentist, nor anywhere that they have not gathered in his name. 🙂
Jude 20
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,[/QUOTE]
Yes. Praying in the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues (Cp Eph 6:18).
I'm actually in process of rereading Acts 2. Also Acts 1 as well because I wasn't sure who "they" was in Acts 2:1.
Acts 2:4 definitely had those who were gathered together speaking in tongues they didn't know. That certainly would have included the Apostles. Not sure if it included the women and family of Jesus or even others of the 120 or so mentioned in Acts 1.
Acts 2:6 does have the hearers hearing in their own languages. It's probably a fair assumption that those speaking in tongues unknown to themselves were actually the languages of the hearers, although the text doesn't make that explicit unless the word used for tongues actually means a known language. Since I'm linguistically and etymologically challenged, I'll leave that to the more scholarly.
Acts 2:4 definitely had those who were gathered together speaking in tongues they didn't know. That certainly would have included the Apostles. Not sure if it included the women and family of Jesus or even others of the 120 or so mentioned in Acts 1.
Acts 2:6 does have the hearers hearing in their own languages. It's probably a fair assumption that those speaking in tongues unknown to themselves were actually the languages of the hearers, although the text doesn't make that explicit unless the word used for tongues actually means a known language. Since I'm linguistically and etymologically challenged, I'll leave that to the more scholarly.
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I'm certain the perfect is what Paul is referring to in Philippians 3:12
Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.
We'll have attained perfection at the resurrection of the saints, where we will see face to face, rather than looking dimly in a mirror.
Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.
We'll have attained perfection at the resurrection of the saints, where we will see face to face, rather than looking dimly in a mirror.
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I believe the only people who initially received the Holy Spirit were the 12 apostles.
For several reasons, I also believed it happened in the Temple, not in the upper room.
That's what I believe.
Tongues simply means languages. They may be known or unknown. They are definitely unknown to the person speaking (1 Cor 14:2, 17).
Have a great night.
For several reasons, I also believed it happened in the Temple, not in the upper room.
That's what I believe.
Tongues simply means languages. They may be known or unknown. They are definitely unknown to the person speaking (1 Cor 14:2, 17).
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There are part cessationists... That have just the sign gifts ceasing. Then full ..is ministry and sign gifts ceasing..which I agree with.
The thing is though, someone could be talented in a ministry in a particular way. ..and then the difference is negligible..so I don't have an issue with people following ministry gifts also.
The main thing is what the apostles were doing in a special way. That was exceptional..not the rule.
The thing is though, someone could be talented in a ministry in a particular way. ..and then the difference is negligible..so I don't have an issue with people following ministry gifts also.
The main thing is what the apostles were doing in a special way. That was exceptional..not the rule.
I believe the only people who initially received the Holy Spirit were the 12 apostles.
For several reasons, I also believed it happened in the Temple, not in the upper room.
That's what I believe.
Tongues simply means languages. They may be known or unknown. They are definitely unknown to the person speaking (1 Cor 14:2, 17).
Have a great night.
For several reasons, I also believed it happened in the Temple, not in the upper room.
That's what I believe.
Tongues simply means languages. They may be known or unknown. They are definitely unknown to the person speaking (1 Cor 14:2, 17).
Have a great night.
The apostles "abode" in the upper room (Acts 1:13). That's where they lived. Women would not be in a room where men lived, it was culturally taboo. They continued in prayer with the women (v14), but that would not have been in the upper room. Luke 24:53 says they were continually in the Temple. That's where I believe they were meeting together and praying. Houses in Jerusalem were generally quite small, likely not big enough to hold 120 people. Also, "the house" (Acts 2:2) was a common name for the Temple.
Concerning why I believe only the twelve received the initial outpouring, to find the the antecedant for the pronouns in the first few verses of Acts 2, you have to look back to chapter 1.
Acts 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they [Matthias and the eleven] were all with one accord in one place.
Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
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Acts 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
The people speaking were men, further evidence that the initial outpouring was only on the twelve apostles.
..heading for bed. God bless.
Concerning why I believe only the twelve received the initial outpouring, to find the the antecedant for the pronouns in the first few verses of Acts 2, you have to look back to chapter 1.
Acts 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they [Matthias and the eleven] were all with one accord in one place.
Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
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Acts 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
The people speaking were men, further evidence that the initial outpouring was only on the twelve apostles.
..heading for bed. God bless.
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