Zionism among the Evangelicals is contradicted by Scripture

Please explain what you mean by this statement?

It's going to sound like a broken record here but it starts with the unconditional and everlasting covenant God made. It has nothing to do with Scofield.

Unbreakable Covenant
We need to be firmly aware that the Abrahamic covenant is NOT the same as the Mosaic covenant (the Law given at Sinai), aka the “old covenant” that was superseded by the new covenant. It’s much older and deeper. Most significantly, the Mosaic covenant is conditional, but the Abrahamic covenant is unconditional. It’s secure no matter what because it’s based on God’s faithfulness to Himself, not anything man does or doesn’t do.

When God affirms the covenant with Abraham a few chapters later, He actually puts Abraham to sleep and passes between the covenant offerings Himself (Ge. 15:12-20). Traditionally, the two parties were supposed to do that together. By not letting Abraham participate and doing it all Himself, God was saying, “You’re not making any promises; I’m making all the promises, and I’m going to be faithful to this covenant because of Me, not because of you.” This is the nature of God that our faith is based on! As 2 Timothy 2:13 says, “if we are faithless, he remains faithful— for he cannot deny himself.”

Jeremiah 31 makes the distinction between the new covenant and the Mosaic (not Abrahamic) covenant explicit:



God swears that His covenant with Israel to make them a nation forever is secure.


Replacement theology argues that because the majority of Israel rejected Jesus, God not only judged them with the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD but has permanently divorced them from being His people. In Jeremiah, God rejects this in the strongest terms, saying that He will never cast off Israel because of their sin.

Israel has been waiting for this promised King, the Anointed One, to come reign on David’s throne in Jerusalem, bring perfect peace to those who dwell in the land of Israel, and bring blessing to the nations by establishing the kingdom of God on earth forever. No wonder they were confused by Jesus’ first coming! They weren’t wrong; God just had a different timing than they were expecting. But He will come again, and He will do all He said.

Land
Abraham and his descendants will permanently inherit the full extent of the promised land as an “everlasting possession” (Ge. 15:18-21, 17:8). This space is far larger than Israel currently occupies. Currently, 47% of Jews worldwide live in Israel. The prophets foretold of a future time that they would dwell in the land securely, without fear of attack (Isa. 32:18). The problem is, they can’t unless they are walking in righteous relationship with God. He warned them of exile when He gave the law to Moses (Lev. 26:27-33). Until the people are completely righteous, they can’t fully possess their inheritance forever (Isa. 32:17-18, 60:21).


Descendants
God not only promises Abraham lots of descendants, but that the nation as well as Abraham’s name would be “great” (Ge. 12:2). The prophets describe a day when Jerusalem will be a praise in the earth and everyone will be in awe at the glory of God that clearly rests on her (Isa. 61:9, 62:1-7). This hasn’t happened yet, and we have the same problem here as with the land. They cannot be “great” until they are righteous (Pr. 14:34).

Blessing to the Nations
Jesus’ birth through the line of David was a big part of this fulfillment, but the day of full salvation/blessing/restoration for the nations hasn’t yet dawned. When Jesus establishes His kingdom on earth as the Jewish King ruling from Jerusalem, the nations of the earth will be more blessed than they ever dreamed possible!

This sounds like universalism.

The thing is that all the promises to Abraham are fulfilled in Christ. I dont see any reason that any of the promises to Abraham are not fuldilled in Christ, including the many Hebrew people who are christian. All the nations are blessed due to Christ, due to Christians and the influence of Christianity upon the world.

Sure enough there are some things yet to come, but I see no reason Biblically that those too will not be fulfilled in Christ, or that they must be strictly Hebrew blood and flesh. In fact when you read scripture its about Christ and faith, Abraham is the father of faith and all in the faith are his decendants, which makes you and me along with the Hebrew heirs to the promise. And I see no reason to think that anyone in Christ is excluded or that anyone not in Christ is included. Its not about Hebrew flesh, if about the children of faith, regardless of flesh.

There is no separation of jew and gentile, except faith, all who do not believe are outside which is what gentile means and all who are in the faith are jew which is what jew means. Jesus opened the door to all who would believe not just Hebrew people.
Jesus' actions are not some plan B or plan C. It was not some failure of the Jews to make Jesus king of the land that caused God to accept the nations. Christ crusified for the sin of the world was always the plan.

If the Jews establish a third/fourth temple, (Solomon's temple, Nehemiah's temple (rebuilt!) Herod's temple, (not a Jew but an Edomite!) makes three!) The third having been destroy in 70 AD with the sack of Jerusalem, and actually burning it to the ground! So if Ezekiel's temple is built, is that not a 4th temple? Just an aside.

I do not believe God has restored Israel, starting in 1948. I know from reading many of your posts, that many of you feel organizations like the United Nations are just another global entity, trying to bring about globalism with a woke agenda. And, I agree with you.

But suddenly, this same UN, which is a negative influence on the world, becomes legitimate in your eyes, because in 1948 the UN partitioned Israel, and they became a nation? Sorry, but modern Israel is a man made conception. And Orthodox Jews living in Israel have always maintained modern Israel U.S. not from God, but is man made. I think some people have to examine the proposition that a corrupt globalist organization was truly established by God! Although God can use anything, there is no sign that God was involved in 1948.

However, I've read much on the Holocaust, the centuries of persecution the Jews have experienced since the diaspora in 70 AD. I've just been study WWII and the war on the eastern front. What Germany did to the Jews were acts of a complete madman! Hitler literally wiped out entire nations of Jews, like in Belarus. Poland was a thriving Center of Jewish scholars, musicians, businessmen, and ordinary people who were Jewish. It was never German Jews who went to the death camps, but Polish Jews, who were murdered, shot, abused and used as slave labour, but not given enough food to actually work hard labour. Hitler destroyed the Ghettos on Poland's largest cities, especially Warsaw, and killed almost every Jew in them. A few did survive, but most lost their entire families. Hitler also killed Jews in Ukraine. He would have killed Jews in Russia, had he beat Stalin, but the country itself defeated him!
The incredible Jewish culture & its positive influence was literally destroyed by Hitler in Poland and other Eastern European nations!

Here was a situation of genocide & ethnic cleansing! The few Jews that survived the horrors of Hitler had no place to go, when finally liberated at the end of the war! Their homes/farms/businesses were destroyed. Their families were dead, killed by Hitler! Many got into leaky wooden boats, crossed the Atlantic to come to North America. But both Canada & the US rejected their cries for asylum, and sent those leaky boats back across the Atlantic, when they arrived in the Mediterranean, no one would allow them to land there. So, many of them landed on the shores of what would become modern day Israel, and were met with fierce resistance by the British, who were in charge of Palestine. Many were shipped to UN camps in Crete. They had no place to go!

For that reason, I have always supported a homeland for the Jews. It may not be established by God, but it is a place of refuge for persecuted Jews from many countries. No one can deny them a homeland! They have no place else to go! But, not established by God, for sure.

Plus, if it had been prophecies of the Messiah returning in a generation or 40 years that did not happen, or confirm that modern Israel is not the Israel of God.

Now before you condemn me as an anti-Semite, I also have Ashkenazi blood in me. My DNA tests agree. My husband also has Jewish blood. I am for the Jews! Considering what they have endured, they are an amazing people! And they deserve a homeland, even if it was established by the godless globalists at the UN.

If the Jews establish a third/fourth temple, (Solomon's temple, Nehemiah's temple (rebuilt!) Herod's temple, (not a Jew but an Edomite!) makes three!) The third having been destroy in 70 AD with the sack of Jerusalem, and actually burning it to the ground! So if Ezekiel's temple is built, is that not a 4th temple? Just an aside.

I do not believe God has restored Israel, starting in 1948. I know from reading many of your posts, that many of you feel organizations like the United Nations are just another global entity, trying to bring about globalism with a woke agenda. And, I agree with you.

But suddenly, this same UN, which is a negative influence on the world, becomes legitimate in your eyes, because in 1948 the UN partitioned Israel, and they became a nation? Sorry, but modern Israel is a man made conception. And Orthodox Jews living in Israel have always maintained modern Israel U.S. not from God, but is man made. I think some people have to examine the proposition that a corrupt globalist organization was truly established by God! Although God can use anything, there is no sign that God was involved in 1948.

However, I've read much on the Holocaust, the centuries of persecution the Jews have experienced since the diaspora in 70 AD. I've just been study WWII and the war on the eastern front. What Germany did to the Jews were acts of a complete madman! Hitler literally wiped out entire nations of Jews, like in Belarus. Poland was a thriving Center of Jewish scholars, musicians, businessmen, and ordinary people who were Jewish. It was never German Jews who went to the death camps, but Polish Jews, who were murdered, shot, abused and used as slave labour, but not given enough food to actually work hard labour. Hitler destroyed the Ghettos on Poland's largest cities, especially Warsaw, and killed almost every Jew in them. A few did survive, but most lost their entire families. Hitler also killed Jews in Ukraine. He would have killed Jews in Russia, had he beat Stalin, but the country itself defeated him!
The incredible Jewish culture & its positive influence was literally destroyed by Hitler in Poland and other Eastern European nations!

Here was a situation of genocide & ethnic cleansing! The few Jews that survived the horrors of Hitler had no place to go, when finally liberated at the end of the war! Their homes/farms/businesses were destroyed. Their families were dead, killed by Hitler! Many got into leaky wooden boats, crossed the Atlantic to come to North America. But both Canada & the US rejected their cries for asylum, and sent those leaky boats back across the Atlantic, when they arrived in the Mediterranean, no one would allow them to land there. So, many of them landed on the shores of what would become modern day Israel, and were met with fierce resistance by the British, who were in charge of Palestine. Many were shipped to UN camps in Crete. They had no place to go!

For that reason, I have always supported a homeland for the Jews. It may not be established by God, but it is a place of refuge for persecuted Jews from many countries. No one can deny them a homeland! They have no place else to go! But, not established by God, for sure.

Plus, if it had been prophecies of the Messiah returning in a generation or 40 years that did not happen, or confirm that modern Israel is not the Israel of God.

Now before you condemn me as an anti-Semite, I also have Ashkenazi blood in me. My DNA tests agree. My husband also has Jewish blood. I am for the Jews! Considering what they have endured, they are an amazing people! And they deserve a homeland, even if it was established by the godless globalists at the UN.

victory against overwhelming odds? (Prophecy)

Has not Israel become a stumbling block among the nations? (Prophecy)

Israel was in ruines when the jews returned but look at it now, economically, technologically, militarily.

but when you see the fig tree bring fourth fruit...blossom,

Not to mention the abraham accords and the establising of Jerusalem as its captial. Prophecy.
Would you or do you condemn the on going prophecies that have followed. In my thoughts why would prophecy follow prophecy if it was not the hand of the al mighty?

If GOD can use a mouth of a ass, the breath of his nostrils, a stone and sling, a blast of a trumpet, the smashing of clay pots, one angel against thousands, a Shepard as king or even a ghetto child to save all that would beleive what stops him with a corrupt organization to fulfill what he has spoken?

Many nations and people through out history habe done this. Does that make them also choosen by God.


No they are not a stumbling block. They participate on the world stahe as everyone else does, just as cogs in the globalist machine.


And yet you still see commercials of folks begging for money for Jews. If they are songreat why dont they help their own?

I think you are misinterpreting the meaning here.

No idea what your talking about here.


All is and will be fulfilled in Christ.

Please explain what you mean by this statement?

I don't know how to elaborate. I thought it was self-explanatory.

The Kingdom is now, yes. We are in it. But The Kingdom is not ONLY a spiritual one.

The reader does not know what is the writers head. So i will guess this may be your understanding...

Although you believe His Kingdom today is Spiritual some day He will also sit on a throne and be King?

I think so, Yes.
To make myself clear though - the kingdom will always be spiritual. The spiritual aspect won't cease to be.
Just as your spirit won't cease to be when you are resurrected with a new body - your redemption is then complete

As for the kingdom on earth, Look;

Isaiah 2~
This is what Isaiah son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem:

2 In the last days

the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established
as the highest of the mountains;
it will be exalted above the hills,
and all nations will stream to it.

3 Many peoples will come and say,

“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the temple of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths.”
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 He will judge between the nations
and will settle disputes for many peoples.


Psalm 2
1 Why do the nations conspire
and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth rise up
and the rulers band together
against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break their chains
and throw off their shackles.”

4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
the Lord scoffs at them.
5 He rebukes them in his anger
and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
6 “I have installed my king
on Zion, my holy mountain.”

7 I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:
He said to me, “You are my son;
today I have become your father.
8 Ask me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You will break them with a rod of iron;
you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”

10 Therefore, you kings, be wise;
be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear
and celebrate his rule with trembling.
12 Kiss his son, or he will be angry
and your way will lead to your destruction,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

All will be fulfilled in CHRIST for sure for JESUS was sent first to the house of Israel and as the scriptue says....the word of the Lord will not return void. .....For those who are first shall be last and those who are last shall be first.
There are no male or female, jew or greek for all are one in CHRIST JESUS.

I personally despise globalism. In hating globalism I believe that every culture and Heritage should be able to practice their culture and Heritage unabated by other cultures. The only way to accomplish such a thing is that each culture has its own nation state.
I also hate words like anti-semite and racist. They are ridiculous terms to use against a person as they are used today. If you are not actively working against a culture or attempting to deprive a person or group of people from being able to practice and engage in their culture and Heritage those terms do not apply. Which actually makes globalists the only real racists. Desiring to engage your own culture and heritage unmolested by others is not racist.
As for the promise of God to Abraham, every single aspect of that promise is fulfilled in Christ even if it is a yet to come fulfillment. When Jesus returns it will be fulfilled.

Many nations and people through out history habe done this. Does that make them also choosen by God.

And yet you still see commercials of folks begging for money for Jews. If they are songreat why dont they help their own?

I think you are misinterpreting the meaning here.

No idea what your talking about here.

All is and will be fulfilled in Christ.