Zionism among the Evangelicals is contradicted by Scripture

[Evmur]

Please explain what you mean by this statement?

It simply means that it is not manifest except to faith, faith in the hearts of us who have received it. The world does not recognise Christ as Lord.

He is recognised as Lord in Heaven but not on Earth.

He is Lord of both Heaven and of Earth but seems like a great many Christians refuse to acknowledge His Lordship over the material Earth.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

It's going to sound like a broken record here but it starts with the unconditional and everlasting covenant God made. It has nothing to do with Scofield.

Unbreakable Covenant
We need to be firmly aware that the Abrahamic covenant is NOT the same as the Mosaic covenant (the Law given at Sinai), aka the “old covenant” that was superseded by the new covenant. It’s much older and deeper. Most significantly, the Mosaic covenant is conditional, but the Abrahamic covenant is unconditional. It’s secure no matter what because it’s based on God’s faithfulness to Himself, not anything man does or doesn’t do.

When God affirms the covenant with Abraham a few chapters later, He actually puts Abraham to sleep and passes between the covenant offerings Himself (Ge. 15:12-20). Traditionally, the two parties were supposed to do that together. By not letting Abraham participate and doing it all Himself, God was saying, “You’re not making any promises; I’m making all the promises, and I’m going to be faithful to this covenant because of Me, not because of you.” This is the nature of God that our faith is based on! As 2 Timothy 2:13 says, “if we are faithless, he remains faithful— for he cannot deny himself.”

Jeremiah 31 makes the distinction between the new covenant and the Mosaic (not Abrahamic) covenant explicit:

“Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt… I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people… they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”​

(Je. 31:31-34)​

God contrasts the new covenant with the Mosaic covenant (the Law given when He brought them out of Egypt), not the Abrahamic covenant. The new covenant is God’s way of making Israel righteous so He can fulfill the Abrahamic covenant. Like Paul says in Romans 11:26 that “All Israel will be saved,” God says to Jeremiah that “they shall all know Me.”​

God swears that His covenant with Israel to make them a nation forever is secure.

“Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar— the LORD of hosts is his name: ‘If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the LORD, then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before me forever.’ Thus says the LORD: ‘If the heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth below can be explored, then I will cast off all the offspring of Israel for all that they have done, declares the LORD.'”​

Replacement theology argues that because the majority of Israel rejected Jesus, God not only judged them with the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD but has permanently divorced them from being His people. In Jeremiah, God rejects this in the strongest terms, saying that He will never cast off Israel because of their sin.

Israel has been waiting for this promised King, the Anointed One, to come reign on David’s throne in Jerusalem, bring perfect peace to those who dwell in the land of Israel, and bring blessing to the nations by establishing the kingdom of God on earth forever. No wonder they were confused by Jesus’ first coming! They weren’t wrong; God just had a different timing than they were expecting. But He will come again, and He will do all He said.

Land
Abraham and his descendants will permanently inherit the full extent of the promised land as an “everlasting possession” (Ge. 15:18-21, 17:8). This space is far larger than Israel currently occupies. Currently, 47% of Jews worldwide live in Israel. The prophets foretold of a future time that they would dwell in the land securely, without fear of attack (Isa. 32:18). The problem is, they can’t unless they are walking in righteous relationship with God. He warned them of exile when He gave the law to Moses (Lev. 26:27-33). Until the people are completely righteous, they can’t fully possess their inheritance forever (Isa. 32:17-18, 60:21).


Descendants
God not only promises Abraham lots of descendants, but that the nation as well as Abraham’s name would be “great” (Ge. 12:2). The prophets describe a day when Jerusalem will be a praise in the earth and everyone will be in awe at the glory of God that clearly rests on her (Isa. 61:9, 62:1-7). This hasn’t happened yet, and we have the same problem here as with the land. They cannot be “great” until they are righteous (Pr. 14:34).

Blessing to the Nations
Jesus’ birth through the line of David was a big part of this fulfillment, but the day of full salvation/blessing/restoration for the nations hasn’t yet dawned. When Jesus establishes His kingdom on earth as the Jewish King ruling from Jerusalem, the nations of the earth will be more blessed than they ever dreamed possible!

This sounds like universalism.
The thing is that all the promises to Abraham are fulfilled in Christ. I dont see any reason that any of the promises to Abraham are not fuldilled in Christ, including the many Hebrew people who are christian. All the nations are blessed due to Christ, due to Christians and the influence of Christianity upon the world.
Sure enough there are some things yet to come, but I see no reason Biblically that those too will not be fulfilled in Christ, or that they must be strictly Hebrew blood and flesh. In fact when you read scripture its about Christ and faith, Abraham is the father of faith and all in the faith are his decendants, which makes you and me along with the Hebrew heirs to the promise. And I see no reason to think that anyone in Christ is excluded or that anyone not in Christ is included. Its not about Hebrew flesh, if about the children of faith, regardless of flesh.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

There is no separation of jew and gentile, except faith, all who do not believe are outside which is what gentile means and all who are in the faith are jew which is what jew means. Jesus opened the door to all who would believe not just Hebrew people.
Jesus' actions are not some plan B or plan C. It was not some failure of the Jews to make Jesus king of the land that caused God to accept the nations. Christ crusified for the sin of the world was always the plan.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

This sounds like universalism.

Not sure where you get that... Romans 11, read the last of the chapter. I don't know why people have no issue at least understanding Calvinist who say they are elected to be saved while others to destruction, but seem confounded when I talk about the Jews who are the actual chosen people who have an unconditional covenant with God that He will restore them. Plain as can be in Romans 11. People throw out Romans 9 but its clear that Romans 11 is not speaking to the church.

The thing is that all the promises to Abraham are fulfilled in Christ. I dont see any reason that any of the promises to Abraham are not fuldilled in Christ, including the many Hebrew people who are christian. All the nations are blessed due to Christ, due to Christians and the influence of Christianity upon the world.

Yes, Christ was part of the fulfillment, but not all. There are still promises to be fulfilled.

Sure enough there are some things yet to come, but I see no reason Biblically that those too will not be fulfilled in Christ, or that they must be strictly Hebrew blood and flesh. In fact when you read scripture its about Christ and faith, Abraham is the father of faith and all in the faith are his decendants, which makes you and me along with the Hebrew heirs to the promise. And I see no reason to think that anyone in Christ is excluded or that anyone not in Christ is included. Its not about Hebrew flesh, if about the children of faith, regardless of flesh.

Abraham was promised a land, it is a real piece of land, it has real borders. Israel has never possessed that land fully. We were grafted in after that covenant was made to the Jews. Part of it we benefit from, part of it is just for the Jews.

I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[a]? 4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b] 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8 as it is written:

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”[c]
9 And David says:

“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10 May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.”[d]

Ingrafted Branches
11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

All Israel Will Be Saved
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

There is no separation of jew and gentile, except faith, all who do not believe are outside which is what gentile means and all who are in the faith are jew which is what jew means. Jesus opened the door to all who would believe not just Hebrew people.
Jesus' actions are not some plan B or plan C. It was not some failure of the Jews to make Jesus king of the land that caused God to accept the nations. Christ crusified for the sin of the world was always the plan.

Then why were the Jews a chosen people?

 

[Angela53510]

If the Jews establish a third/fourth temple, (Solomon's temple, Nehemiah's temple (rebuilt!) Herod's temple, (not a Jew but an Edomite!) makes three!) The third having been destroy in 70 AD with the sack of Jerusalem, and actually burning it to the ground! So if Ezekiel's temple is built, is that not a 4th temple? Just an aside.

I do not believe God has restored Israel, starting in 1948. I know from reading many of your posts, that many of you feel organizations like the United Nations are just another global entity, trying to bring about globalism with a woke agenda. And, I agree with you.

But suddenly, this same UN, which is a negative influence on the world, becomes legitimate in your eyes, because in 1948 the UN partitioned Israel, and they became a nation? Sorry, but modern Israel is a man made conception. And Orthodox Jews living in Israel have always maintained modern Israel U.S. not from God, but is man made. I think some people have to examine the proposition that a corrupt globalist organization was truly established by God! Although God can use anything, there is no sign that God was involved in 1948.

However, I've read much on the Holocaust, the centuries of persecution the Jews have experienced since the diaspora in 70 AD. I've just been study WWII and the war on the eastern front. What Germany did to the Jews were acts of a complete madman! Hitler literally wiped out entire nations of Jews, like in Belarus. Poland was a thriving Center of Jewish scholars, musicians, businessmen, and ordinary people who were Jewish. It was never German Jews who went to the death camps, but Polish Jews, who were murdered, shot, abused and used as slave labour, but not given enough food to actually work hard labour. Hitler destroyed the Ghettos on Poland's largest cities, especially Warsaw, and killed almost every Jew in them. A few did survive, but most lost their entire families. Hitler also killed Jews in Ukraine. He would have killed Jews in Russia, had he beat Stalin, but the country itself defeated him!
The incredible Jewish culture & its positive influence was literally destroyed by Hitler in Poland and other Eastern European nations!

Here was a situation of genocide & ethnic cleansing! The few Jews that survived the horrors of Hitler had no place to go, when finally liberated at the end of the war! Their homes/farms/businesses were destroyed. Their families were dead, killed by Hitler! Many got into leaky wooden boats, crossed the Atlantic to come to North America. But both Canada & the US rejected their cries for asylum, and sent those leaky boats back across the Atlantic, when they arrived in the Mediterranean, no one would allow them to land there. So, many of them landed on the shores of what would become modern day Israel, and were met with fierce resistance by the British, who were in charge of Palestine. Many were shipped to UN camps in Crete. They had no place to go!

For that reason, I have always supported a homeland for the Jews. It may not be established by God, but it is a place of refuge for persecuted Jews from many countries. No one can deny them a homeland! They have no place else to go! But, not established by God, for sure.

Plus, if it had been prophecies of the Messiah returning in a generation or 40 years that did not happen, or confirm that modern Israel is not the Israel of God.

Now before you condemn me as an anti-Semite, I also have Ashkenazi blood in me. My DNA tests agree. My husband also has Jewish blood. I am for the Jews! Considering what they have endured, they are an amazing people! And they deserve a homeland, even if it was established by the godless globalists at the UN.

 

[pottersclay]

If the Jews establish a third/fourth temple, (Solomon's temple, Nehemiah's temple (rebuilt!) Herod's temple, (not a Jew but an Edomite!) makes three!) The third having been destroy in 70 AD with the sack of Jerusalem, and actually burning it to the ground! So if Ezekiel's temple is built, is that not a 4th temple? Just an aside.

I do not believe God has restored Israel, starting in 1948. I know from reading many of your posts, that many of you feel organizations like the United Nations are just another global entity, trying to bring about globalism with a woke agenda. And, I agree with you.

But suddenly, this same UN, which is a negative influence on the world, becomes legitimate in your eyes, because in 1948 the UN partitioned Israel, and they became a nation? Sorry, but modern Israel is a man made conception. And Orthodox Jews living in Israel have always maintained modern Israel U.S. not from God, but is man made. I think some people have to examine the proposition that a corrupt globalist organization was truly established by God! Although God can use anything, there is no sign that God was involved in 1948.

However, I've read much on the Holocaust, the centuries of persecution the Jews have experienced since the diaspora in 70 AD. I've just been study WWII and the war on the eastern front. What Germany did to the Jews were acts of a complete madman! Hitler literally wiped out entire nations of Jews, like in Belarus. Poland was a thriving Center of Jewish scholars, musicians, businessmen, and ordinary people who were Jewish. It was never German Jews who went to the death camps, but Polish Jews, who were murdered, shot, abused and used as slave labour, but not given enough food to actually work hard labour. Hitler destroyed the Ghettos on Poland's largest cities, especially Warsaw, and killed almost every Jew in them. A few did survive, but most lost their entire families. Hitler also killed Jews in Ukraine. He would have killed Jews in Russia, had he beat Stalin, but the country itself defeated him!
The incredible Jewish culture & its positive influence was literally destroyed by Hitler in Poland and other Eastern European nations!

Here was a situation of genocide & ethnic cleansing! The few Jews that survived the horrors of Hitler had no place to go, when finally liberated at the end of the war! Their homes/farms/businesses were destroyed. Their families were dead, killed by Hitler! Many got into leaky wooden boats, crossed the Atlantic to come to North America. But both Canada & the US rejected their cries for asylum, and sent those leaky boats back across the Atlantic, when they arrived in the Mediterranean, no one would allow them to land there. So, many of them landed on the shores of what would become modern day Israel, and were met with fierce resistance by the British, who were in charge of Palestine. Many were shipped to UN camps in Crete. They had no place to go!

For that reason, I have always supported a homeland for the Jews. It may not be established by God, but it is a place of refuge for persecuted Jews from many countries. No one can deny them a homeland! They have no place else to go! But, not established by God, for sure.

Plus, if it had been prophecies of the Messiah returning in a generation or 40 years that did not happen, or confirm that modern Israel is not the Israel of God.

Now before you condemn me as an anti-Semite, I also have Ashkenazi blood in me. My DNA tests agree. My husband also has Jewish blood. I am for the Jews! Considering what they have endured, they are an amazing people! And they deserve a homeland, even if it was established by the godless globalists at the UN.

I for one would not call you anti-semite but just one who can not see the forest through the trees.
I am sure that with your studies you are aware of the fact the U.N. now is against Israel as a nation and considers it one of the biggest disaster ever.
Following the rebirth of Israel in one day as it is mentioned how would you explain away the wars that quickly followed and their victory against overwhelming odds? (Prophecy)
Has not Israel become a stumbling block among the nations? (Prophecy)
The generation you have pointed to is not a 40 yr generation or even the 70 yrs of life in pslams but JESUS pointed to the generation that sees Israel prosper. :but when you see the fig tree bring fourth fruit...blossom, however you read it it is that generation he points to. Israel was in ruines when the jews returned but look at it now, economically, technologically, militarily.
Not to mention the abraham accords and the establising of Jerusalem as its captial. Prophecy.
Would you or do you condemn the on going prophecies that have followed. In my thoughts why would prophecy follow prophecy if it was not the hand of the al mighty?
If GOD can use a mouth of a ass, the breath of his nostrils, a stone and sling, a blast of a trumpet, the smashing of clay pots, one angel against thousands, a Shepard as king or even a ghetto child to save all that would beleive what stops him with a corrupt organization to fulfill what he has spoken?

 

[Locoponydirtman]

If the Jews establish a third/fourth temple, (Solomon's temple, Nehemiah's temple (rebuilt!) Herod's temple, (not a Jew but an Edomite!) makes three!) The third having been destroy in 70 AD with the sack of Jerusalem, and actually burning it to the ground! So if Ezekiel's temple is built, is that not a 4th temple? Just an aside.

I do not believe God has restored Israel, starting in 1948. I know from reading many of your posts, that many of you feel organizations like the United Nations are just another global entity, trying to bring about globalism with a woke agenda. And, I agree with you.

But suddenly, this same UN, which is a negative influence on the world, becomes legitimate in your eyes, because in 1948 the UN partitioned Israel, and they became a nation? Sorry, but modern Israel is a man made conception. And Orthodox Jews living in Israel have always maintained modern Israel U.S. not from God, but is man made. I think some people have to examine the proposition that a corrupt globalist organization was truly established by God! Although God can use anything, there is no sign that God was involved in 1948.

However, I've read much on the Holocaust, the centuries of persecution the Jews have experienced since the diaspora in 70 AD. I've just been study WWII and the war on the eastern front. What Germany did to the Jews were acts of a complete madman! Hitler literally wiped out entire nations of Jews, like in Belarus. Poland was a thriving Center of Jewish scholars, musicians, businessmen, and ordinary people who were Jewish. It was never German Jews who went to the death camps, but Polish Jews, who were murdered, shot, abused and used as slave labour, but not given enough food to actually work hard labour. Hitler destroyed the Ghettos on Poland's largest cities, especially Warsaw, and killed almost every Jew in them. A few did survive, but most lost their entire families. Hitler also killed Jews in Ukraine. He would have killed Jews in Russia, had he beat Stalin, but the country itself defeated him!
The incredible Jewish culture & its positive influence was literally destroyed by Hitler in Poland and other Eastern European nations!

Here was a situation of genocide & ethnic cleansing! The few Jews that survived the horrors of Hitler had no place to go, when finally liberated at the end of the war! Their homes/farms/businesses were destroyed. Their families were dead, killed by Hitler! Many got into leaky wooden boats, crossed the Atlantic to come to North America. But both Canada & the US rejected their cries for asylum, and sent those leaky boats back across the Atlantic, when they arrived in the Mediterranean, no one would allow them to land there. So, many of them landed on the shores of what would become modern day Israel, and were met with fierce resistance by the British, who were in charge of Palestine. Many were shipped to UN camps in Crete. They had no place to go!

For that reason, I have always supported a homeland for the Jews. It may not be established by God, but it is a place of refuge for persecuted Jews from many countries. No one can deny them a homeland! They have no place else to go! But, not established by God, for sure.

Plus, if it had been prophecies of the Messiah returning in a generation or 40 years that did not happen, or confirm that modern Israel is not the Israel of God.

Now before you condemn me as an anti-Semite, I also have Ashkenazi blood in me. My DNA tests agree. My husband also has Jewish blood. I am for the Jews! Considering what they have endured, they are an amazing people! And they deserve a homeland, even if it was established by the godless globalists at the UN.

I personally despise globalism. In hating globalism I believe that every culture and Heritage should be able to practice their culture and Heritage unabated by other cultures. The only way to accomplish such a thing is that each culture has its own nation state.
I also hate words like anti-semite and racist. They are ridiculous terms to use against a person as they are used today. If you are not actively working against a culture or attempting to deprive a person or group of people from being able to practice and engage in their culture and Heritage those terms do not apply. Which actually makes globalists the only real racists. Desiring to engage your own culture and heritage unmolested by others is not racist.
As for the promise of God to Abraham, every single aspect of that promise is fulfilled in Christ even if it is a yet to come fulfillment. When Jesus returns it will be fulfilled.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

victory against overwhelming odds? (Prophecy)

Many nations and people through out history habe done this. Does that make them also choosen by God.

Has not Israel become a stumbling block among the nations? (Prophecy)

No they are not a stumbling block. They participate on the world stahe as everyone else does, just as cogs in the globalist machine.

Israel was in ruines when the jews returned but look at it now, economically, technologically, militarily.

And yet you still see commercials of folks begging for money for Jews. If they are songreat why dont they help their own?

but when you see the fig tree bring fourth fruit...blossom,

I think you are misinterpreting the meaning here.

Not to mention the abraham accords and the establising of Jerusalem as its captial. Prophecy.
Would you or do you condemn the on going prophecies that have followed. In my thoughts why would prophecy follow prophecy if it was not the hand of the al mighty?

No idea what your talking about here.

If GOD can use a mouth of a ass, the breath of his nostrils, a stone and sling, a blast of a trumpet, the smashing of clay pots, one angel against thousands, a Shepard as king or even a ghetto child to save all that would beleive what stops him with a corrupt organization to fulfill what he has spoken?

All is and will be fulfilled in Christ.

 

[pottersclay]

Many nations and people through out history habe done this. Does that make them also choosen by God.


No they are not a stumbling block. They participate on the world stahe as everyone else does, just as cogs in the globalist machine.


And yet you still see commercials of folks begging for money for Jews. If they are songreat why dont they help their own?

I think you are misinterpreting the meaning here.

No idea what your talking about here.


All is and will be fulfilled in Christ.

It is very obvious by your replies you are not well informed on this subject.
God was very clear and distinctive in the prophecies on what will take place in the latter days.
Historically no other nation on this planet can compare to the rise and fall and again rise of Israel.
The great and mighty empires have all passed away without any sign of coming back.
Yet this tiny nation has risen just like its mesiah....according to prophecy.
All will be fulfilled in CHRIST for sure for JESUS was sent first to the house of Israel and as the scriptue says....the word of the Lord will not return void. .....For those who are first shall be last and those who are last shall be first.
There are no male or female, jew or greek for all are one in CHRIST JESUS.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Please explain what you mean by this statement?

I don't know how to elaborate. I thought it was self-explanatory.

 

[Beckie]

I don't know how to elaborate. I thought it was self-explanatory.

The reader does not know what is the writers head. So i will guess this may be your understanding...

The Kingdom is now, yes. We are in it. But The Kingdom is not ONLY a spiritual one.

Although you believe His Kingdom today is Spiritual some day He will also sit on a throne and be King?

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The reader does not know what is the writers head. So i will guess this may be your understanding...

Although you believe His Kingdom today is Spiritual some day He will also sit on a throne and be King?

I think so, Yes.
To make myself clear though - the kingdom will always be spiritual. The spiritual aspect won't cease to be.
Just as your spirit won't cease to be when you are resurrected with a new body - your redemption is then complete

As for the kingdom on earth, Look;

Isaiah 2~
This is what Isaiah son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem:

2 In the last days

the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established
as the highest of the mountains;
it will be exalted above the hills,
and all nations will stream to it.

3 Many peoples will come and say,

“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the temple of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths.”
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 He will judge between the nations
and will settle disputes for many peoples.


Psalm 2
1 Why do the nations conspire
and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth rise up
and the rulers band together
against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break their chains
and throw off their shackles.”

4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
the Lord scoffs at them.
5 He rebukes them in his anger
and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
6 “I have installed my king
on Zion, my holy mountain.”

7 I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:
He said to me, “You are my son;
today I have become your father.
8 Ask me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You will break them with a rod of iron;
you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”

10 Therefore, you kings, be wise;
be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear
and celebrate his rule with trembling.
12 Kiss his son, or he will be angry
and your way will lead to your destruction,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

 

[Beckie]

I think so, Yes.
To make myself clear though - the kingdom will always be spiritual. The spiritual aspect won't cease to be.
Just as your spirit won't cease to be when you are resurrected with a new body - your redemption is then complete

As for the kingdom on earth, Look;

Isaiah 2~
This is what Isaiah son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem:

2 In the last days

the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established
as the highest of the mountains;
it will be exalted above the hills,
and all nations will stream to it.

3 Many peoples will come and say,

“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the temple of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths.”
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 He will judge between the nations
and will settle disputes for many peoples.


Psalm 2
1 Why do the nations conspire
and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth rise up
and the rulers band together
against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break their chains
and throw off their shackles.”

4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
the Lord scoffs at them.
5 He rebukes them in his anger
and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
6 “I have installed my king
on Zion, my holy mountain.”

7 I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:
He said to me, “You are my son;
today I have become your father.
8 Ask me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You will break them with a rod of iron;
you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”

10 Therefore, you kings, be wise;
be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear
and celebrate his rule with trembling.
12 Kiss his son, or he will be angry
and your way will lead to your destruction,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

Thanks for explaining

 

[Locoponydirtman]

All will be fulfilled in CHRIST for sure for JESUS was sent first to the house of Israel and as the scriptue says....the word of the Lord will not return void. .....For those who are first shall be last and those who are last shall be first.
There are no male or female, jew or greek for all are one in CHRIST JESUS.

On this part we agree.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I personally despise globalism. In hating globalism I believe that every culture and Heritage should be able to practice their culture and Heritage unabated by other cultures. The only way to accomplish such a thing is that each culture has its own nation state.
I also hate words like anti-semite and racist. They are ridiculous terms to use against a person as they are used today. If you are not actively working against a culture or attempting to deprive a person or group of people from being able to practice and engage in their culture and Heritage those terms do not apply. Which actually makes globalists the only real racists. Desiring to engage your own culture and heritage unmolested by others is not racist.
As for the promise of God to Abraham, every single aspect of that promise is fulfilled in Christ even if it is a yet to come fulfillment. When Jesus returns it will be fulfilled.

No, brother, sorry, you're wrong. Israel has never possessed the whole land that was promised in the covenant. Either God fulfills His promises or He's a liar, and neither of us believe that.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Many nations and people through out history habe done this. Does that make them also choosen by God.

No, there has been no country like Israel that has come back together after so many years. Israel is that nation that was born in a day that the Bible speaks of. History literally backs that fact up.

And yet you still see commercials of folks begging for money for Jews. If they are songreat why dont they help their own?

Because they spend a fortune defending their country against Hamas and other enemies.

I think you are misinterpreting the meaning here.

No, not in the least, it's part of prophecy. There was nothing but desert and nomadic people before Israel became a nation in 48. I have a book that shows the difference, then and now. Incredible. The desert is blooming again, that is a sign to us.

The desert will rejoice, and flowers will bloom in the wilderness. The desert will sing and shout for joy; it will be as beautiful as the Lebanon Mountains and as fertile as the fields of Carmel and Sharon. Everyone will see the LORD's splendour, see his greatness and power.

No idea what your talking about here.

President Trump did what every other president before him promised to do, but never did. He recognized Jerusalem as the capitol. I believe the Lord allowed him to be president for that very reason.

All is and will be fulfilled in Christ.

And God will fulfill His promises to the Jews.

 

[Beckie]

God keeps His Word.
Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.

Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.

Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

This is an open and shut case. Israel has not possessed all of the land. Either God is a liar, or He has has promises yet to be fulfilled to the Jews. Case closed.

 

[Beckie]

Often we , choose a trusted teaching over what the Word simply states. We believe the Word of God to be true


Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.