Works of the Law

Scripture does not tell us exactly who or where Cain’s wife came from.

Scripture does tell us that God made human beings, male and female. Named Adam and Eve.

So it is MUCH more reasonable to say that Cain’s wife was his sister or cousin, than to make up out of thin air that God also created other humans, that apparently dwelt outside of Eden.

Utterly made up nonsense.

it could have been hundreds of years before Cain found and married his wife.

In that time, many hundreds, or even thousands of people could have been born and inhabited the earth.

The title of your thread is enough proof -- "Works of the Law". And my response in post #33 is sufficient. So why did you chose "Works of the Law" as your title? It must mean that deep down this is what you believe. And this is what the Pharisees believed.

Utterly made up nonsense?
Well what about you saying, Cain married his sister?
Where is this written in the bible?
The bible doesn't actually say that, so didn't you make that up?

If this was where Cains wife came from, logic dictates she came from Adam and Eve too.
And I can prove what you made up is nonsense.

You say all the generations of man came from Adam and Eve...AKA..Incest.
Now if every generation came from the same Father (Adam) and Mother (Eve), genetic science proves a family could not survive through more than a few generations born in this manner....through incest.

Now if you don't believe the science, Go to the Appalachian mountains in West Virginia. There you will see first hand what happens in just a few generations, that are conceived in this manner. Yet you are saying we all came by way of incest. Now who is spouting nonsense?
Okay...now prove beyond a shadow of doubt, like I have with your theory, that what I said is illogical.

The reason?
Because this false teaching, taught in many churches, is an obstacle for those who want to be saved.

The last thing I want is to deceive anyone. And thanks for your candor.

Hey brother....I will give you an answer tomorrow. Sorry I can't today, got caught up in someone else's post where accusations were made and I was forced to defend my integrity. And I want to give your question the thought it deserves.

Thanks.

As it was with Christ who never said anything of His own but only what the Father said. Paul is no different. It was Christ it was the sweet holy Spirit. The NT is Him.. His word.

I think to my satisfaction I have shown you here in my quote ------how the real truth behind the words is not that simple to Grasp or there wouldn't be Preachers Preaching things like this ----

My quote from above ---and I added to the original quote here ---in red ----The truth is distorted -----
in your heart and confess your Faith in HIM to be free from sin ----so the Truth is not that simple ------ many believe that God's Agape will save them ----no faith at all needed ------the truth is not that si


One of the functions of the Holy spirit is to Guide you into all truth of what the Spiritual message is behind the written words -----this is called the Rhema Word ---which is given by the Holy Spirit to the person -----

JOHN 16 :13

Amplified Bible
But when He, the Spirit of Truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth [full and complete truth]. For He will not speak on His own initiative, but He will speak whatever He hears [from the Father—the message regarding the Son], and He will disclose to you what is to come [in the future].


Your Quote Here
No ----discernment is a Gift given by the Holy Spirit only to some believers --------that is different from the Holy Spirit guiding us to the Spiritual Truth behind the words Of the Written Word ------

Spiritual Discernment is one of the 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit ------which is not given to every believer ---just like the other 8 gifts -----listed in 1 Corinthians 12 ------


1 Corinthians 12

Expanded Bible

Gifts from the Holy Spirit

. 9 The same Spirit gives faith to one person. And, to another, that one Spirit gives gifts of healing. 10 The Spirit gives to another person ·the power to do miracles [works of power], to another ·the ability to prophesy [L prophecy]. And he gives to another the ·ability to know the difference between good and evil [L discernment/distinguishing of] spirits.


For instance ----Jesus said ---it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle that it is for a rich man to get into heaven ------

So what is the Spiritual meaning of this saying -------it has nothing to do with Discernment of Spirit ---it has everything to do with seeing and knowing the Spiritual message that Jesus is trying to get across here ----and the Holy Spirit will guide you into the truth of what the Spiritual message is -----

There have been many trying to figure this out -----

Or------ Foxes have holes but the Son of Man has no where to lay His head ---

Many take that as Jesus saying that you need to be poor ----and that is far from the Spiritual message that Jesus is dishing out in that statement -----that is the Human Intellect taking the words and running with what they think it is saying -----

Asking the Holy spirit for Guidance and directing in what the Spiritual message is needed and The Holy Spirit will respond to your request -----

Yes.
To claim God created some humans that were not descendants of Adam and Eve, that married and mated with Adam and Eve's offspring IS utter nonsense. Not a SHRED of Biblical proof for that imagination.

I have already addressed that Scripture doesn't define who Cain's wife was. God didn't think it necessary.
However, since Adam and Eve ARE the ONLY recorded original humans created by God's own Hands, that were instructed by God to be fruitful and multiply, it is entirely reasonable to believe that Cain's wife was also his relative. There was no law against incest at that time, and there have been some notable incestuous marriages that were NOT frowned upon by God.

I reiterate that we have no idea how many more children Adam and Eve had, how quickly those children had children, or how many centuries it was when Cain found his wife.


Perhaps the most notable being Abraham who married his sister.

Heck, Moses who gave the Law from God, was himself a product of incest, as were several from Jesus' lineage.
Yup.

I mean this is just silliness on many levels.
The early human's genome was close to the original creation, which was vastly purer than ours.
Also, as more people were born, the gene pool would have diversified quickly.

Do you actually believe the Bible?
I know you adhere to a erroneous and destructive sinless perfection doctrine.

What other heresies do you hold to I wonder?

I've gone back to post 235 to see how i differ to you..
We agree here, i just say faith without works is dead.
I'm implying that true believers will have works when it is needed or when their faith leads them to act or speak. Like you said below they believed and as a result they acted. It was faith that lead to action.

I agree that sin has become exceedingly sinful and believe we have become physically and mentally worse over time as a result. But i believe the promises of God and that He is able to recreate a new heart in us.

If you aim for failure that's all you'll get.
Pro 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he.....
My heart aims for and believe in holiness. I know I'm not perfect and can't achieve it myself but with Jesus all things are possible.

If i aim for holiness like Jesus lived i won't be content with my sinful state.

Eph 4: 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Yes a constant turmoil.
War
But the point is we can overcome in Christ.
We have choice, and with Christs help we can choose to die to the flesh and follow the Spirit.
From my experience knowing Jesus or drawing closer to Jesus which empowers us to overcome and helps us to see the purity of His righteousness, which helps us to see how much we need his righteousness (how unrighteous we are without Him).

As long as you don't believe that "faith without works is dead" means that faith is dead UNTIL it produces works and then it BECOMES a living faith (which would be like saying that a tree is dead UNTIL it produces fruit and then it BECOMES a living tree) and that we are saved by both faith and works.

Yes, faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root.

Gods Grace is like a burning ember. By itself, it will remain just an ember. But should you put kindling on the ember, it will bursts into a flame from which we receive a warm comfortable glow. This is how we
Where do we get the kindling to make the ember burn?

Jesus gives us that answer in (John 14:21-24), which is the very foundation of Pauls teachings on Grace, which I will explain in a few paragraphs.
Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, "But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?" Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching.
According to Jesus, does God love everyone, as many are taught,...or is it the folks who love Jesus?
According to Jesus, How does God know we love Jesus?
Jesus died, because he loves us, but to gain the Love of God the Father...well he needs a reason to love us....And Jesus gives us the reason in these verses.

Paul taught, "Not by Works, but by Grace...for if it's by Works it's not Grace.
That's very true!!
But what does Paul mean?
How do we reconcile that teaching with what he Paul taught in (Romans 2:5-7) and what Jesus taught in (John 14:21-23)?
It's all about the motivation. Do you keep the Lords commandments because you Love him,
or do you keep the Lords commandments expecting salvation as your payment?
We've all had jobs...working 40-70 hours a week. Did we work because we loved the company, or are we there for the paycheck? Obviously...our motivation is the Paycheck.
For many Christians they are taught...if you believe, if you say the sinners prayer, if you have faith, if you get baptized...etc, you will be saved. So, what is the motivation? Now if you're honest...They do these Works as required by men....expecting a payment of Salvation.

What is the motivation, at say....a revival meeting?
They are told...If you do not come forward...you will "Burn in Hells Fire!!"
Their motivation is fear, and because of that fear, they do these works because they are told if they do, they will be saved. So again...they do not do these works because they Love Jesus, its because they except to be saved for doing what these false teachers tell them to do. Salvation is therefore, a payment for their Works.

This is why people need to be brought to repentance...because this is when they keep the Lords commandments...because they Love him. And that's when Grace grows into a burning flame..No false teachings can put out.

This took me a long time to write, so I'm not going to preview it...so please forgive me for any mistakes.

If you want to discuss this matter, start a new discussion and I will discuss it with you there. For I think it's very interesting. But it really has nothing to do with the topic we are discussing here...does it?

No. I'm good. The purpose was to show the confused here that those that preach sinless perfectionism usually are way off base on a lot of other stuff too.

Have a great day.

Well...if that's all you were trying to do, why don't you prove we are...way off base...by addressing the subject matter. How does proving someone wrong in one post, discredit their truth in another post?
For example....
If I was wrong in one post...and said something like, "The world is flat" , and in another post I say, "Jesus is the Son of God"..does that mean people should not believe me when I say, "Jesus is the Son of God"?

So I am still puzzled at why you would go to all that trouble.
If you hate me, just say so...don't stone me with your insults.

Lol!!

One of the last resorts. Try and elicit some sort of sympathy by erecting a strawman like "If you hate me".


That's a weak sauce tactic dude. Nothing I said would even remotely suggest I "hate" you.


Really, a type of lie, which ya know, is a SIN!

So much for being sinless.

My point is that is exactly what makes it "complicated." Otherwise, the truth is not complicated.

My bust...I have never known anyone like you, that shows their love for their brother with insults.
By the way...again, where did I lie in my statement?