Not By Works

The preservation of the State IS the healing of the people.

Could be a.i./bot generated. I am seeing that, of late.

If the suffering in Israel was found also in America, and you understood what Adonai has charged a number of us to accomplish - the responsibility of the use of His power that He Himself has bestowed, you would be closer to contextual application of all that I have shared - as though the leaders in America chose to receive from Adonai unto the preservation of the State.

The preservation of the State IS the healing of the people.

There is a very practical application for all that I share - from Adonai.

I go now (from this virtual place).

Perhaps the Lord will cause you to remember these things shared.

The Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the only begotten Son of the true and living God, comes soon; may His peace and love BE with all.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

If God taketh the form of any thing, has He then become that thing?

Oh that we shouldeth bid thee farewell fervently!

And yet... but do we?

Thy words have shot with hidden arrows that would thou intendeth to hit the mark so swiftly...

But what that thy words should be so strong? Nay again and nay again.. that we should be made so fools.

Oh that a fine farewell we should show and such grace... it would be much much grand. Yet haveth we perceived the flaw in thine own view!

For thou doeth declareth the Lord Jesus to be a lesser being! Him that hath declareth Himself equal to the Most High Father!

And yet showeth we mercy now.. and bid thy good day.

May thee come to knoweth the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ that is not concealed from now to eternity. And so do this chorus bid farewell to thee.

And so doth here.. end.. mine own Elizabethean treatise!

(guffaw expected)

God can't Die
God can't be tempted to sin
God does not need to eat to live
God does not suffer pain. and can not be hurt

Phil 2: 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross

I presume you are not talking about the 'human' God ie Jesus who suffered, was tempted and died - how do we understand;

Num 23:19: God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29: And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

Malachi 3:6: For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Job 25:4 How then can man be righteous before God? Or how can he be pure who is born of a woman?

You gotta look at the context of Numbers 23:19..

It isn't about the fact of God not being a man .. but the nature of God that He is perfect.. beyond humans. Beyond man.

It isn't saying that God can't become a man. That's not the subject of the verse. Context context context..


If this isn't enough.. how about the fact that God revealed Himself to people before the NT in the form of someone in the likeness of man?

If He could do it in the OT before the NT.. what is wrong with Him revealing Himself through Jesus?

(Sigh)

Not sure if 'context' helps you - anyway;
you say - 'God revealed Himself to people before the NT in the form of someone in the likeness of man?' - any passages to back this up?

Not sure if 'context' helps you - anyway;
you say - 'God revealed Himself to people before the NT in the form of someone in the likeness of man?' - any passages to back this up?

It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!

English Standard Version
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Berean Study Bible
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
He saved us, not by works in righteousness that we did, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

In answer to God being in the likeness of man before the NT: He appeared in temporary physical form in the OT before the NT:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1297.cfm

None of that states that God took a human like form and definitely not that God was a human even with human restrictions for a moment.

Very true, but the Lord enables us to do good works as a result of his salvation through Jesus (Ephesians 2:8-10).

That is true.. but that fact remains Jesus claimed equality with the Father and then did miracles that only God can do. Jesus also called Himself the 'I AM'.. which is saying when God spoke to Moses it was Jesus speaking.

With the Jewish concept of agency.. the agent bringing a message on behalf of another carries the same status. The messager has the same authority and the originator of the message.

When the Pharisees saw Jesus say He is 'I AM'.. they knew exactly what this meant and sort to stone Him for claiming equality with the Father.

Jesus also accepted worship.. not just like a servant to a king.. but from angels.

In Revelation.. this is Jesus' words to the churches.. yet it is also the Father's and the Holy Spirit's words. Equal.

Jesus was the Head of the disciples, but not one of them. If the disciples are figuratively representing the 12 tribes of Israel.. and Jesus is Head over them.. what does that say about Jesus?

I could go on..

God becoming man is clearly in scripture.

If this is not enough ..read Isaiah 55. That's prophecying Jesus a long long long time before He came in the flesh.. from the OT.

Peace

Albeit I note what you are implying - We seem to have gone away from the point we were discussing God presenting in human form in the OT.

broad interpretation of Isiah 55.

Many in the bible done miracles

Okay.. well sticking with the OT appearances.. looking at the article I referenced.. it shows God appearing in likeness of man in some of the cases. He was in physical form in some of the cases.. how would that not be in the likeness of man?

Not quite the same, but note the point you are making.

you got me thinking - what miracle did Jesus do that no one else in the bible done?

Forgive sins.

Yes I was thinking in the general term of miracles.

There are some issues with this though.

Matt 9:1-8 - 8 But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men. [ implies they understood the power came form the father]

Hebrew 9:22 – without shedding blood there is no forgiveness [Jesus had not been on the cross yet]

John 20:23 - If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven. [disciples could forgive]

Matt 6:14 - 14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. [father]