Not By Works

If I may,

The Mosaic law was given to Jews. as a nation. I see nothing wrong with them still doing the traditions and following them..

The issue would come in if they say these are required for salvation. As in paul's day.

No different really then church traditions.. Not required for salvation. But followed and practiced by the gentile church.

Praise God!

I love you, beloved brother.
I say this with ALL sincerity.

Here and now, I will open your eyes - if you will yield, not to me, but unto the will of our most beloved Father, His Majesty, Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth - the only begotten Son of the true and living God:

Behold, the Lord our God was put to the test by the serpent of old - for our benefit, that we learn what IS required of us all:


Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
But He answered and said,

"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

Now beloved, you yourself must ask - from whence cometh the HaTorah (the Law of Life)?
That what has been a mystery to those who call themselves Christian BE made plain and easily understood
(for all who come into the fold shall indeed BECOME Jewish - And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.):

And God spake all these words, saying,
I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me;
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me, and keep my commandments.
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.


And so, beloved brother - from that time onward, our beloved elder Moshe (Moses) DID intercede for us all, receiving for us every other law that comprises HaTorah (the Law of Life), which was given by Adonai - He spoke it to the very face of beloved Moshe. It is required of us all (those who are of the fold of God), according to God Himself; He has clearly spoken it - not in parable, but plainly.

It was Jesus of Nazareth, the only begotten Son of the true and living God who gave HaTorah to elder Moshe; and when He came, He came to gather those of us who had become lost - those who fell away from HaTorah:

When elder Moshe sought to know what to tell us when we would ask for His name:

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said,

Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

When we challenged Adonai, after He had proceeded through the matrix of the righteous virgin and grew to maturity, He revealed again who He truly IS:

Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Yet ye have not known Him; but I know Him: and if I should say, I know Him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know Him, and keep His saying.
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Then said the Jews unto Him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast Thou seen Abraham?
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.


Therefore, let all who have ears to hear understand; for these words ARE true:

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


The peace and love of Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the only begotten Son of the true and living God be with you.

You also are my brother; and I love you.
What I say to you, I say unto all:

Here and now, I will open your eyes - if you will yield, not to me, but unto the will of our most beloved Father, His Majesty, Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth - the only begotten Son of the true and living God:

Behold, the Lord our God was put to the test by the serpent of old - for our benefit, that we learn what IS required of us all:


Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
But He answered and said,

"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

Now beloved, you yourself must ask - from whence cometh the HaTorah (the Law of Life)?
That what has been a mystery to those who call themselves Christian BE made plain and easily understood
(for all who come into the fold shall indeed BECOME Jewish - And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.):

And God spake all these words, saying,
I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me;
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me, and keep my commandments.
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.


And so, beloved brother - from that time onward, our beloved elder Moshe (Moses) DID intercede for us all, receiving for us every other law that comprises HaTorah (the Law of Life), which was given by Adonai - He spoke it to the very face of beloved Moshe. It is required of us all (those who are of the fold of God), according to God Himself; He has clearly spoken it - not in parable, but plainly.

It was Jesus of Nazareth, the only begotten Son of the true and living God who gave HaTorah to elder Moshe; and when He came, He came to gather those of us who had become lost - those who fell away from HaTorah:

When elder Moshe sought to know what to tell us when we would ask for His name:

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said,

Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

When we challenged Adonai, after He had proceeded through the matrix of the righteous virgin and grew to maturity, He revealed again who He truly IS:

Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Yet ye have not known Him; but I know Him: and if I should say, I know Him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know Him, and keep His saying.
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Then said the Jews unto Him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast Thou seen Abraham?
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.


Therefore, let all who have ears to hear understand; for these words ARE true:

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


The peace and love of Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the only begotten Son of the true and living God be with you.

You also ARE my brother; and I love you.
What I say unto you, I say unto all:

Here and now, I will open your eyes - if you will yield, not to me, but unto the will of our most beloved Father, His Majesty, Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth - the only begotten Son of the true and living God:

Behold, the Lord our God was put to the test by the serpent of old - for our benefit, that we learn what IS required of us all:


Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
But He answered and said,

"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

Now beloved, you yourself must ask - from whence cometh the HaTorah (the Law of Life)?
That what has been a mystery to those who call themselves Christian BE made plain and easily understood
(for all who come into the fold shall indeed BECOME Jewish - And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.):

And God spake all these words, saying,
I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me;
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me, and keep my commandments.
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.


And so, beloved brother - from that time onward, our beloved elder Moshe (Moses) DID intercede for us all, receiving for us every other law that comprises HaTorah (the Law of Life), which was given by Adonai - He spoke it to the very face of beloved Moshe. It is required of us all (those who are of the fold of God), according to God Himself; He has clearly spoken it - not in parable, but plainly.

It was Jesus of Nazareth, the only begotten Son of the true and living God who gave HaTorah to elder Moshe; and when He came, He came to gather those of us who had become lost - those who fell away from HaTorah:

When elder Moshe sought to know what to tell us when we would ask for His name:

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said,

Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

When we challenged Adonai, after He had proceeded through the matrix of the righteous virgin and grew to maturity, He revealed again who He truly IS:

Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Yet ye have not known Him; but I know Him: and if I should say, I know Him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know Him, and keep His saying.
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Then said the Jews unto Him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast Thou seen Abraham?
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.


Therefore, let all who have ears to hear understand; for these words ARE true:

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


The peace and love of Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the only begotten Son of the true and living God be with you.

Well, if you have believed Jesus is God, that He died and rose again, that He lived sinless, and that by entrusting your salvation with Him, you have eternal life...

John 3:16, 3:36, 5:24

Ephesians 2, vs 8-9

Romans chapter 10: 9-10


Then we are both headed to be in the New Jerusalem.

I don't think that makes me a Jew.. but we will share as both Jew and Gentile in God's heavenly Jerusalem.

What I want to know though is.... do you believe Jesus is fully God.. equal to the Father? Because that is what Jesus claims. The Trinity is a completely scriptural doctrine.

Nay -
I say - according to Aba's own words, that His Aba (the God of gods) is greater; for Adonai says Himself:

Adonai:
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

There we know that Adonai's Aba is the Supreme within the most blessed Holy Trinity; within the Holy Trinity there is divine hierchy.

The peace and love of His Majesty, Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the only begotten Son of the true and living God be with you.
The Lord Jesus Christ comes soon. Amen.

Jesus IS fully God.


Colossians 2:9

New King James Version

9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;

Uh-Oh.

You can tell the Hebrew Roots guys, by how they downgrade Paul. Who got his divine revelations from Jesus Himself.

Eventually they reveal themselves and the desire to proselytize into their false doctrine.

Yeah.. like I have been trying to say to people in this site.. most Messianic Jews don't believe Jesus is fully God. I wish they did!

It's like they don't give up on Judaism.. just kind of add to it.

How can Jesus be the Messiah... and NOT fully God? That doesn't work.

True. The issue I have is I think even though the people come in claiming to be Messianic Jews.. they are in fact making the OT law binding on eternal life. This is the problem they have that I'm picking up on.

Accepting all of the NT is the thing.. which I haven't seen many Messianic Jews do yet.

Take a moment to consider:

If you own father speaks a thing; and another comes in the name of your father and speaks a thing, whose words do you cling to - in your own heart and mind - almost effortlessly; and if another speaks on behalf of your father, do you not compare it with all that your father has spoken? How can one say that Paul is downgraded, when One greater than he IS here: Jesus of Nazareth, the only begotten Son of the true and living God IS the Chief object of affection of ALL His children - there is no downgrade, only giving proper respect and adoration where it is due.

for the Law of Life is:

Adonai's Word:
And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment.

Peace and love to all sincere.

(I am no Hebrew Roots guy; be well)

You are refusing to SEE that Adonai Himself has stated that the Father is the only One who can accomplish certain tasks - He alone has the AUTHORITY; therefore there is God the Father (FIRST), God the Son (SECOND), and God the Holy Spirit (THIRD).

Only the Father of Adonai knows when the end shall come;
and only the Father of Adonai can decide who sits upon the right hand and left hand of Adonai;
there are many things to consider with regard to AUTHORITY in the Divine Hierchy - these things are plainly written in the Gospels, beloved.

Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the only begotten Son of the true and living God be magnified.

I noticed "only-begotten Son" is stated frequently, interpreted to be "unequal" to the Father, not quite God.

You are confusing the dual nature of Christ, He was both fully God and fully human, and in his humanity he was bound to limitations.

There is no hierarchy in God.

Nay -
for there is no great and wise king who says, my beloved son - sit here with me on my throne as my equal;
Only begotten does mean - Adonai is the only one born of what can be considered the equivalent of the loins; for it is by the Spirit of God and not the seed of man that He was conceived, through the matrix of a virgin, and not a virgin gone into in the traditional manner - His very conception and birth were of Spirit.

The Lord be magnified above all others.
Peace and love to all sincere.

There is no where that you will find written that the Son of God is a man, beloved. There IS no such scripture. The God of gods does not conceive unto a human presence born, but rather a God in human 'form':

for it is written (Adonai hath spoken):
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

Great IS the Lord.
Peace and Joy to all sincere.

Yes, I see what you are saying.

In His human form He was limited, He was not omniscient or omnipresent correct?

What great household can ye abide in without knowing the order of the house, the rules which apply to abiding in the house?
And what royal family can you become an integral part of and not be a partaker according to the rules of that ruling family?
The Lord our God is ONE.
If ye know not what is called offensive (sin) and what is called acceptable (righteousness), how can ye remain in goodly standings and receive bountifully of the tenderlovingkindnesses of that same family?

Am I the Head? Nay? Has the head assigned me schoolmasters, that I be reared (raised) unto acceptable maturity in the sight of He that IS the head? Indeed.

I have shared this thing from the Lord previously; why do you reject the Word, beloved:

Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
And when the tempter came to Him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
But He answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Therefore - please know that Adonai has charged us to search ALL scripture, find every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God,
and live by it.

The Lord BE magnified. Amen.