The tribulation

The tribulation is not 7 years. I went to Bible college where the tribulation is taught as Daniel's last week or 7 but I could never figure out how the last week was shot into the future. It isn't. All of Daniel's weeks are accomplished. The temple was already made desolate. Now the original says time, times, time, and a half, not months like some modern translations. This doctrine has affected Bible translation. I personally believe that world war 1&2 were the horses and that we are living in a tribulation that could last 1,000 years. Look at the tribulation as a list of historical events over time. Especially see how it divides time times time and a half. Times meaning several separate times. Revelations is the prophecy of all great suffering in the future. There's no biblical proof the tribulation is 7 years. It's not the big giant people make it out to be. I say we've seen all the tribulation we're gonna see. Don't be afraid.

That may be what you believe ….but that is not going to alter Biblical truths.

The tribulation has not and will not start until this administration of grace that we live in today, ceases.

And it will cease when Christ comes back (in the air) to gather those in Christ… And then begins the period of Revelation.

No. The 70th week is still in the future. If all of Daniel's 70 weeks had been fulfilled, this earth would have been totally cleansed of all sin and evil, and everlasting righteousness would have already been established (v 24). The very fact that sin and evil and wickedness is growing by leaps and bounds shoots down your theory.

will he find faith on the earth?”

These annotations in the picture are not the words of the Bible, but people dream dreams.

The words of the Bible would be identified with scripture reference.
I used the annotations with the pictorial as a simple (and more concise) way to explain events .... as opposed to to a lengthy post.

Is.

It is the "Great Tribulation" which is only 3.5 years. It begins at the midpoint when the Anti-Christ breaks his peace treaty. Things get much worse then.

The Rapture happens 7 years before our return to Earth with Christ to reign with Him for 1000 years.

The Church spends 7 years in Heaven while the wicked and much of Israel spend 7 years on Earth.

According to The Commander in Chief......

It will be the worst time in in human history
"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

It will be a limited time.
"for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

It will be a discernible time.
“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—

Your right about the trib not being 7 years, it’s 71/2 years.
I disagree with everything you said ! A prophetic week is 7 years.
World War I & II has nothing to do with the trib.

I suggest you get a good annotated Bible like Dake’s Annotated Bible or Scofield’s Annotated Bible, preferably in the kin James.

Where are the moderators ?

How do you just shoot 7 years into the future without saying. The rest of the years were chronological, why not the last 7.

No one has given a biblical argument. You've all just spewed your beliefs. How do you make the tribulation 7 years? How do you take a week from Daniel and shoot it into the future without it saying? Many people believe the week was the temple destroyed. It happened after the apostle warned of it, writing before the temple was destroyed. There's no mention of years which would be easy, they had a calendar.

Let's take a look in the Bible and break some of this down, because five times the bible set the time of the great tribulation at 3 1/2 Years which also is the time of the reign of the beast and the false prophet: 1 in Daniel 7:25;...time and times and the dividing of time. 2 Daniel 12:7 "times, times, and an half." 3 Revelation 11:2...and the holy city shall they tread under foot for forty and two months. 4 Revelation 11:3...and they (two witnesses), shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and three score days (1260 days), and 5 Revelation 13:5 "power was given unto him to continue forty and two month (3 1/2 years)."

Now, let us go to the 9th chapter of Daniel and see what it is talking about. When you read this chapter, you will find in the second verse that the prophet Daniel was reading the books of the prophet Jeremiah. Daniel understood through Jeremiah's writing that the lord would accomplish seventy years in the desolation of Jerusalem. Daniel knew that Jerusalem was going to be laid to waste for more that seventy years. So he prayed to the Lord for understanding. While he was praying, the Lord sent the angel, Gabriel, to explain to Daniel what he wanted to know as well as many other things, including: the first coming of Jesus, the time of his ministry, his death for the sins of the people, and the destruction of Jerusalem and its people by the Roman general, Titus, in 70 A.D. Except for the 3 1/2 years that Jesus must teach, the prophecy was fulfilled in 70 A.D.

Now, let us break this down verse by verse, starting at the 24th Verse, and let the Bible interpret this prophecy. Daniel 9:24-27.(Verse 24) "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon the holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." (Verse 25) "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times: (Verse 26). "And after threescore and two weeks shall the Messiah be cut off, but for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined." (Verse 27) "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Now in verse 24, Gabriel informed Daniel that seventy weeks are determined upon his people. That put the time far beyond seventy literal years. To be more accurate, he talking about seventy times seventy years, which is equal to 490 years (7x70 = 490 years). Within this period of time, the temple had to be rebuilt, Jesus had to be anointed (Anoint the most Holy), then he had to die for the sin of the people (make reconciliation for iniquity) and seal the vision and the prophesy. What vision you ask? The one concerning the people and the city of Jerusalem.

Daniel 9:25 tells us that from the time that the commandments is given to restore and rebuild Jerusalem unto the Messiah the prince (to the anointing of Jesus), shall be seven weeks, threescore and two weeks (69 weeks = 483 years). The restoration of the temple and the city of Jerusalem started in the days of Ezra and Nehemiah. It took them forty and six years to build the Temple. (St. John 2:20) "Then said the Jews, forty and six years was this building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?" Take into consideration that the city had to be restored also, to which we can attribute the other three years, which make up a full week of years (7x7 = 49 years). In verse 26, this week of years was not counted, because it said, "After threescore and two weeks the Messiah was cut, (62 weeks = 434 years). Add the seven weeks back on to this 62 weeks (434 + 49 = 483 years), and will get the amount of time that had to pass between the commandments to restore Jerusalem to the anointing of Jesus (Messiah means the anointed one).

Now that we understand that it took 69 weeks to bring us to the Messiah, there is only one week left. Now this is where the error is made by most theologians and Bible scholars: They all say there is one week left (1x7 = 7 years), and this is the week that the false prophet is going to make a covenant with the Jews and, in the middle of the week, break the covenant, and stop them from sacrificing animals.

Who were the people of the prince? The Romans. After the death of Jesus, Jerusalem lasted until 70 A.D. That is when the Roman general, Titus, came in and destroyed it.

Now, lets go back to Daniel the 9th chapter and look at verse 27. This 27th verse is the same as verse 26. It is telling what happened before the Messiah (Jesus), was cut off, and what happen when he was cut off (he was crucified), and what happen after he was cut off. Therefore, we must break this 27th verse down into three parts.

Part one: “And he (the Messiah) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (1x7 = 7 yrs.)” What covenant?

Note: I wrote and broke down all that already, that's not where the problem is with your understanding. I understand that it took 69 weeks to bring us to the Messiah, there is only one week left. One week left (1x7 = 7 years). These years have to be cut in half. Why? Again because the prophets Daniel said so. Daniel: (Verse 26). "And after threescore and two weeks shall the Messiah be cut off, but for himself: I shouldn't have to prove Jesus taught for 3 1/2 yrs. Now within those years Daniel says (Verse 27) "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. This parts of the prophecy is lateral just like the 3 1/2 yrs Jesus taught was lateral days that made up those years that be cut off. Jesus was cut off in the mist of the week and died on the Passover, because he is the Passover. Just like the sacrifice and the oblation had to cease in that same time period. Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; (Matthew 27: 50, 51). Once the veil was rent that end animal sacrificial laws, no sacrificing animals. The last 3 1/2 yrs is at Jesus second coming, and he will finish his ministry with his people.

Hi Jonathan,

End times prophecy can be confusing.
I was of a perspective for years because it seemed reasonable and the preacher's who taught it were sound on basic doctrines.
Each time I read the Bible through, I slowed down on the tribulation, wrath and rapture passages. I would have saved time if I had mapped out each passage to compare them side by side. Anyhow, here's a perspective you might not have considered. I can't find any holes in this, but to each their own as they study the Word. The major thing is that we have a home in heaven. I hope that you and all others have that settled. Anyway, feel free to ask about salvation. That's one topic I will usually take time to answer unless I accidentally overlook it. However, there aren't enough months in a year to debate eschatology with preachers from a dozen different backgrounds. 😄

Later,

Scofield's annotations are part of the problem here. As to your closing question, the moderators will deal with heresy; they don't restrict discussion on debatable topics unless people start getting rude.

Sure you got a biblical argument. Tell us that universal and eternal righteousness and peace have been ALREADY been established on earth, and prove it. That is the final objective of Daniel's prophecy of 70 weeks.

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
[1] to finish the transgression,
[2] and to make an end of sins,
[3] and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
[4] and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
[5] and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
[6] and to anoint the most Holy.

With everlasting righteousness there will be everlasting peace. And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. (Isa 32:17)

On the contrary Scofield did an excellent job with the majority of his annotations. It is really quite amazing that so many people want to dump on Scofield.

Do you believe the other 5 have been accomplished?
And it only says bring in, not to fruition.

None of them have been accomplished. That is all one package and it is all for the future.

are you a born again Christian? if not, become one. the Holy Spirit will help you understand the Bible & when you read Revelation, definitely ask the H.S. to assist you in understanding the book.

Great reminder for me and for all. God bless you always.

When Jesus comes to gather us He will slay the Man of sin in the temple by the breath of His mouth.

No more Antichrist, no more Beast, no more mark of the Beast, no more persecution, no more tribulation.

Antichrist's reign ENDS when Jesus comes, He'll have had his world reign, his period of persecution and terror which is what the Great Tribulation is.

When Jesus comes He comes to reign ... through the Jews.