Does God forgive anything--ex: homosexuals?

Not telling a child fire will hurt them is not love... Why are we Christians afraid to speak Gods Word. Not saying be mean i too have homosexual friends . We also accept Joe and Sally having sex with out marriage that is sin. Joe and Joe having sex is sin. To even suggests God loves them Joe and Sally or Joe and Joe just as they are is not loving it is being ashamed of the gospel. Would we say something like "it is ok for you to rob the old lady God loves you just as your are? "

Although in the Bible it DOES say God loved us when we were yet sinners.

The difference is the way you word it. John 3:16 God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son so that whosever believes in Him we will not perish but have eternal life.

Many people do not believe and will perish IN THEIR SINS.

I dont know where this 'just as I am' stuff came from. EVERYONE was once a sinner. The key thing is Jesus will save us from our sin. So we can repent and stop our sin, whatever it may be...

the thief died on the cross yet Jesus saved him and said he could go to paradise (he wasnt stealing anymore was he, and he paid the price for his sin by being on the cross)
the greedy tax collector got saved and he gave back all his money he stole
the adulteress was forgiven and she stopped her adultery even though many men still saw her as a sinner, Jesus accepted her and gave her a way out of her sin

with homosexuality, God was going to pour fire and brimstone on the entire town but there were no righteous men not even ten of them but he sent Lot and angel to tell him to flee. Lot DID get out, but he also dragged his feet, and his own wife looked back. He ended up getting drugged by his daughters and comitting incest (with both of them it seemed) . Not sure if this is the happy ending you are looking for, but at least Lot did get out of Sodom and Gomorrah....the horrible thing he did though was he initially offered his own daughters to be raped by the Sodomites, to save his own skin....

I do not understand why you have posted this to me?

why not, its plain...

dont know where this 'just as I am' thing came from...but God actually does love sinners. He wants to save them from their sins. When Adam and Eve sinned, yes God kicked them out of the garden but He also was merciful and gave them coats to wear so they could stop being naked.

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against principalities, against the powers, against spiritual wickedness in high places

People dont seem to know what they are dealing with here. Our weapons of warfare are not carnal, so having a gun or knife or even knowing martial arts aint going to protect us. A high heel shoe and makeup armour for a woman isnt going to stop a man from raping us if he really wanted to do it. But if we actually flee fornication as advised, its less likely that we'll get caught and trapped into sinning.

I have a new job at a school and went to an induction and the principal said all the school rooms had windows on them and we were never to put ourselves in a situation of being alone with a child in an enclosed space. To safeguard us as well as children.

from what I know about homosexuality, it tends to happen in mens toilets as known places of abuse. some public toilets in the parks had to be completely taken away because of this.

I hope they hear the gospel and decide to trust Jesus to be saved. I looked for the gospel or statement of faith on their site and couldn't find one. I Might have missed it. Do you know if they have one?

I believe that Romans 1 tells us that homosexual sin is the example used to describe the ultimate rebellion men and women are capable of when they reject the revelation of God.

That means to me that it is a worse sin than others.

I believe that Sodom and Gomorrah is an example that this kind of sin will receive judgment even in this life.

I believe it disrespectful to God to soften our disgust toward this heinous sin. We must not compromise with this evil generation that wants to normalize it. IT IS NOT NORMAL OR OK.

I believe that Christians should preach the Gospel the same way no matter who they are talking to. All sins must be repented of and we don't focus on individual sins when we preach the Gospel. The people ready to repent already know what the Holy Spirit is convicting them of.

Homosexuals can be forgiven if they repent and believe on Jesus, but not if they don't. Don't entertain an argument with anyone who claims to believe in Jesus and claims to be a homosexual at the same time. Just keep preaching repentance as you would to any other sinner who claimed to believe in Jesus while being a drunk at the same time, or any other obvious sin.

We don't need a different message for every person who claims to have a relationship with God when they really don't. We preach the Gospel of repentance and shake the dust off and move on when they reject and resist it.

My spirit is greatly grieved by the trend among some Christians to appeal to the popular crowds and pretend like homosexual sin is no worse than any other sin. I think fire balls from heaven are coming because of that sin and history should be a warning to people that such a judgment is at the doors. I want to be one of those who was warning people about it before it happens instead of one of those who has to repent that they did not handle it with the seriousness that the scriptures give it.

Seriously people, some sins are worse than others. We should not be afraid to agree with the bible about that.

I am sorry but I totally missed your reply being a question.

This movement seems to be somewhat of an outreach ministry that is part of Bethel Baptist in Reeding California. Here's a link to their statement of faith.
https://www.bethel.com/beliefs#statement-of-faith

Here is a link to their statement of belief concerning sexuality.
https://changedmovement.com/statement-of-belief

A link to the churches home page.
https://www.bethel.tv/home

IMHO the posted testimonies are powerful and well worth reading

Although in the Bible it DOES say God loved us when we were yet sinners.

The difference is the way you word it. John 3:16 God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son so that whosever believes in Him we will not perish but have eternal life.

Many people do not believe and will perish IN THEIR SINS.


the adulteress was forgiven and she stopped her adultery even though many men still saw her as a sinner, Jesus accepted her and gave her a way out of her sin


PLease quote chapter and verse that said the adulteress stopped her adultery
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What a great article!
I agree, I use mine as a lifetime fitness program. It's good to know that you can improve with time and refine those skill sets.

BTW, My next car will probably be a Toyota too.

Thank you! I've been training in this style for 10 years now, and at 57, I'm still able to train effectively. I can't do what I did when I was younger (e.g. jumps and rolls), but I just adapt to what my body allows me to do now.

My sensei trained into his eighties, so I plan to stick with it as long as I am able as well.

I worked with white belts today on kihon kata, and then we spent some time with the heavy and speed bags. They loved it, and so did I! Nothing better than passing on our tradition whether it's Shorinryu karate or Christianity!

my question to you is how would you witness to someone struggling with same sex desires?
BTW We agree that homosexuality is sin

That's a beautiful dojo. A lot of time , work and money went into that.
I hope that it gets plenty of use for the next 40 years or whenever the Lord returns for us.

We are so blessed. It was a former dance studio, and we have plenty of room. The hard wood flooring is perfect for our training.

Sean and Rhonda put a lot of work into remodeling the dojo and bringing more of the Okinawan spirit to the facility. Sean is a passionate student of the history, language, and culture of Okinawan karate as well, so it's like being in a graduate class with him.

Glad you enjoy the training in your tradition, too!

Often our Father gives us far better than we even hope and ask for.

I did a quick review of your Shotokan branch, and it looks like we are both tied back to Okinawan roots.

It seems Shotokan evolved into a Japanese style where strict structure and processes are emphasized to build power and strength.

We certainly integrate a Japanese perspective into our doju with a hint of kung-fu from China as well.

Karate is the most in-depth and fascinating athletic training I have experienced in my career!

I highly recommend it for all ages, and I am so thankful I can still train in my fifties. The self-defense aspect is important, but it has helped me in so many areas of my life, especially being able to continue doing the physical work associated with my career that I love!

Let us encourage ourselves in the Lord to improve by His grace . He offers special privileges to His close friends. That is my greatest goal in life, to love the Father as much as possible and to be Jesus' best friend.

He gave Moses the strength at 80 that he had in his prime.
We remember that Moses had the strength to kill an armed Egyptian soldier with his bare hands. David trained men with plenty of problems. They became mighty men of valor.