Baptizing

Thanks for your opinion. I do not agree with you that water baptism is required for salvation.

So Romans 10:9 is not true?
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

What about Eph 1:13?
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

I've always took that verse, Mark 9:29, to be Christians praying and fasting for someone else. Not for the person who needs deliverance or healing.

But you said your friend is unsaved and there's nothing in the Bible that says that the unsaved have to fast. As a matter of fact, if they don't have the Holy Spirit to keep them strong when they're hungry during the fast, they might actually get weaker and give in to unclean spirits. I just think that info on the internet is dangerous to unsuspecting people.

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The Lord's disciples actually didn't do any fasting until after He was crucified, died and then ascended.

Matthew 9:14 Then John’s disciples came and asked him, “How is it that we and the Pharisees fast often, but your disciples do not fast?”

15 Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.

John the Baptist's disciples and the Pharisees fasted per usual old testament custom.

Please slow down and take your time with research. It seems like you get some things twisted or mixed up.

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It seems nobody had received the holy spirit at the time mark 9.29 had been spoken not even the disciples, it seems then if your understanding is accurate the decippes who where fasting would also have been weaker

Your understanding is you've always thought that mark 9.29 only referred to the decipels and not the person who needed deliverance, but theres no clear instruction exactly to say it was, for one side or the other,

New Living Translation mark9:28
Afterward, when Jesus was alone in the house with his disciples, they asked him, “Why couldn’t we cast out that evil spirit?
KJV mark 9.29 Jesus answered
29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.

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Remember? The disciples were not fasting at all while Jesus was still with them. I don't know where you got the idea that they were fasting at that time.

Also, you wrote this:




I looked up the New Living Translation, and it does NOT have "...and fasting." in it.

Mark 9:29 NLT Jesus replied, “This kind can be cast out only by prayer.”

Link to the verse at Bible Gateway: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark+9:29&version=NLT

Maybe you were thinking of another translation?

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I also don't know why you keep insisting that your poor friend should fast. He's already suffering and fasting would just make things worse for him. I don't know if you're even qualified to help him either as you keep getting your Biblical teaching mixed up.

If you truly want you friend to be healed, you actually need a real Christian who is strong in the faith and knows how to do a proper deliverance.

Here's some that you might want to consider. I personally don't know them though. I urge you to find other Christians that may be able to help your friend. Please don't take this matter into your own hands or that of your friend:




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Baptism
Heb 6:1, 2 KJV "Therefore leaving the principals of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment."

1 Cor 1: 13-16 KJV "Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were you baptized into the name of Paul? I think God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that that I had baptized in my own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other."

1 Cor 15: 29 KJV "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead."

1 Cor 1: 13-16 shows us that water baptism was a common practice for the early Church faithful. It even appears that they performed proxy baptisms for those who were martyred before they could be baptized as I sure they kept the baptismal services hidden due to their persecution. We can also see that the early Church practiced water baptism because Paul wasn't called of the Lord Jesus until after Jesus had been resurrected and ascended, so that even though Paul tells us that he wasn't sent to baptize, he did it anyways. Thus, I cannot understand how anyone could call water baptism only an OT rite.
In Heb 6, Paul calls: repentance of dead works, and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms (plural), and of laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment, to be the principals of the doctrine of Christ. (Note; regarding the above: Repentance and faith are of the individual, and where baptisms and laying of hands are of the Church, and resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment deals with the Church's ministry.) I would agree that when we turned to the Lord, the Holy Spirit baptized us into the body of Christ and , I suspect that because of its surpassing glory is the baptism referred to in the passage that tells us, there is "one baptism." And since more than one baptism is found in the principals of the doctrine of Christ, the second would have to be water baptism. Are we raised in the newness of life to follow the Spirit in the OT?
There is no curse of death for every act of disobedience in the New Covenant. So, I would have to agree that water baptism is not a condition of salvation, but rather the 1st act of obedience in a new believer. A public declaration of death to oneself and to ever follow after the Spirit.

Remember? The disciples were not fasting at all while Jesus was still with them. I don't know where you got the idea that they were fasting at that time.

Also, you wrote this:




I looked up the New Living Translation, and it does NOT have "...and fasting." in it.

Mark 9:29 NLT Jesus replied, “This kind can be cast out only by prayer.”

Link to the verse at Bible Gateway: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark+9:29&version=NLT

Maybe you were thinking of another translation?

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I also don't know why you keep insisting that your poor friend should fast. He's already suffering and fasting would just make things worse for him. I don't know if you're even qualified to help him either as you keep getting your Biblical teaching mixed up.

If you truly want you friend to be healed, you actually need a real Christian who is strong in the faith and knows how to do a proper deliverance.

Here's some that you might want to consider. I personally don't know them though. I urge you to find other Christians that may be able to help your friend. Please don't take this matter into your own hands or that of your friend:




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Remember? The disciples were not fasting at all while Jesus was still with them. I don't know where you got the idea that they were fasting at that time.

Also, you wrote this:




I looked up the New Living Translation, and it does NOT have "...and fasting." in it.

Mark 9:29 NLT Jesus replied, “This kind can be cast out only by prayer.”

Link to the verse at Bible Gateway: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark+9:29&version=NLT

Maybe you were thinking of another translation?

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I also don't know why you keep insisting that your poor friend should fast. He's already suffering and fasting would just make things worse for him. I don't know if you're even qualified to help him either as you keep getting your Biblical teaching mixed up.

If you truly want you friend to be healed, you actually need a real Christian who is strong in the faith and knows how to do a proper deliverance.

Here's some that you might want to consider. I personally don't know them though. I urge you to find other Christians that may be able to help your friend. Please don't take this matter into your own hands or that of your friend:




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let's start again zoom in on this screen shot and tell me in how many different translation is the word fasting missing. And please don't assume to know, you know what I intend to do to my friend, but let's forget that for now, and let's be friends.

Now after you have counted up how many different translations have there word fasting missing, could you please acknowledge my question, which is,,, Why is that word missing from those many different translation.

If you don't know the answer. That is fine.

Further more to your assuming response, I have no intentions of performing baptism or advising how to fast, or who should fast, as I am not qualified,

What I would like to find out, is many things, I hope that maybe somebody like yourself could help me to find out.

And I hope you can find the time to do so and then things might be 🌹

So the original manuscripts didn't have "and fasting," therefore certain deliverances can only be done by prayer, and not necessarily fasting.

How are you so positive that the original manuscripts did not have "and fasting"? This is the same approach as that of the modern critics who made hundreds of omissions because they opined that the corrupt manuscripts were "the best". And their only grounds for this was that those were the oldest. But Scrivener -- who was the master of textual criticism -- said that the worst corruptions occurred in the earlier manuscripts.