These things have begun to take place

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Karlon

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We do need to have a little discernment. For example, how are earthquakes in diverse places a sign? We have always had earthquakes.

1. True, but we have only been able to know about earthquakes "in diverse places" since the invention of the seismometer which we began using widely since the invention of the nuclear bomb.

So Radio, TV, telecommunications and seismometers are all implied in this sign, hence the technological age.

2. But who cares? Why do we care about a Tsunami in Indonesia? This implies the world is much smaller and travel is common, hence air travel. This tsunami affected Europeans and Americans who were there at the time.

OK, but again, how is it a sign if they happen throughout history?

3. And that implies when we look at these earthquakes in diverse places we will see a sign, we will see the number of earthquakes increase 10x, or 1,000% since 1950.
on earthquakes: when earthquakes become more numerous as now, that's the sign the Bible speaks of. it has nothing to do with modern tech equipment to detect more earthquakes, it's natural. Who cares about earthquakes in Indonesia? That's terrible. that's the same as saying someone doesn't care about people being killed or injured over there. When an abundance of events occurs then you the time is near. Plus, all Christians have the H.S.'s assistance.
 

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on earthquakes: when earthquakes become more numerous as now, that's the sign the Bible speaks of. it has nothing to do with modern tech equipment to detect more earthquakes, it's natural. Who cares about earthquakes in Indonesia? That's terrible. that's the same as saying someone doesn't care about people being killed or injured over there. When an abundance of events occurs then you the time is near. Plus, all Christians have the H.S.'s assistance.
Prior to WWII you wouldn't even learn of these things till months later. So sure, you might be full of sympathy and empathy, but there was no sense of fearful events or feeling like what happens on the other side of the Earth had anything to do with you. There was no tourism there, no economic involvement, no family relationship. So no one viewed this as having any direct impact on the US or on their country.

Since most earthquakes takes place in the ocean and also in very remote regions there is no possible way to know there was an increase of earthquakes without the technology.
 

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Earthquakes, wars, famines, etc., are not a sign given that the end is right around the corner. The Lord told them about those things so that when they happened they would not assume that the end is near.

The abomination causing desolation is the primary sign that the end is near, at the door.

The fig tree was used as a parable and it does not represent Israel, though Israel is involved along with the whole world.
 

ZNP

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Jerusalem will be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled

Luke 21:29 And he spake to them a parable: Behold the fig tree, and all the trees: 30 when they now shoot forth, ye see it and know of your own selves that the summer is now nigh. 31 Even so ye also, when ye see these things coming to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh. 32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all things be accomplished. 33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

He tells us this after telling us that the Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. This is what we saw, Jerusalem was trodden down by the Gentiles for about two thousand years. In 1948 Israel was reformed again, and in 1967 they gained control of Jerusalem. This is the context of this word about the fig tree shooting forth as a sign that summer is near.

Can you relate it to mankind being a generation that covers their nakedness with fig leaves, yes, but that doesn't help as a sign of when these things will be.

Can you relate this to the temple being destroyed in 70 AD which was in the Lord's generation, 40 years after they rejected Him at the cross? Yes, but by itself that would not answer the question about signs of the end of the age. Also note that this prophecy is not just about Israel, "all the trees" refers to about five other nations formed at this time. When you look at Luke 21 it certainly discusses the apostles and what is about to happen to them, the first generation of this age, but it also talks about the terminal generation, the last generation of this age.
 

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Earthquakes, wars, famines, etc., are not a sign given that the end is right around the corner. The Lord told them about those things so that when they happened they would not assume that the end is near.

The abomination causing desolation is the primary sign that the end is near, at the door.

The fig tree was used as a parable and it does not represent Israel, though Israel is involved along with the whole world.
Luke 21: 7 And they asked him, saying, Teacher, when therefore shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when these things are about to come to pass?

Luke 21 answers this question. If it wasn't a sign of when these things will be Jesus would not have included it. He is exceedingly concise, every word has meaning.
 

ZNP

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Earthquakes in diverse places is the beginning of birth pains

Mark 13:7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars, be not troubled: these things must needs come to pass; but the end is not yet. 8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there shall be earthquakes in divers places; there shall be famines: these things are the beginning of travail.
 

Karlon

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Earthquakes, wars, famines, etc., are not a sign given that the end is right around the corner. The Lord told them about those things so that when they happened they would not assume that the end is near.

The abomination causing desolation is the primary sign that the end is near, at the door.

The fig tree was used as a parable and it does not represent Israel, though Israel is involved along with the whole world.
check again!
 
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SanderB

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on earthquakes: when earthquakes become more numerous as now, that's the sign the Bible speaks of. it has nothing to do with modern tech equipment to detect more earthquakes, it's natural. Who cares about earthquakes in Indonesia? That's terrible. that's the same as saying someone doesn't care about people being killed or injured over there. When an abundance of events occurs then you the time is near. Plus, all Christians have the H.S.'s assistance.
Natural earthquakes have always been present* since God created the earth some 4.6B years ago, as it is inherent to the plate tectonics on the earth. You may ask why does God create plate tectonics? Well, to give nutrients to plants, volcanoes must erupt to form ash on the ground. Plants thrive by using ash as a fertilizer. And volcanoes only form if the earth has plate tectonics, therefore earthquakes happen as a byproduct.

*However, medium magnitude earthquakes may become more prevalent nowadays due to human induced processes such as fracking. For instance, an earthquake in China had 12 deaths. The quake has been caused by human actions. So yeah, quake frequency will increase over the following decades due to human actions, which may be interpreted as a sign of the end times. In other words, the End Times might be partially triggered by us.

Also, the Euphrates river is already drying up, along with the Tigris due to human induced global warming. Climate scientists predict by 2040, the two rivers would be dry. The Bible discusses that the sign of the end would be the drying of those two Mesopotamian rivers. The Muslims also discuss that the apocalypse will happen when the Tigris & Euphrates dry up also.

Me personally, I don't think the world would end for another century, assuming the rivers get some nice rain in the future, but no one knows the hour of Christ's return, and we should not try and force predictions, though the mid 21st century could be possible. So, if we want Jesus to return quicker, everyone should get a Hummer H2 and burn their compost piles to dry up the Tigris and Euphrates. God did say be good stewards of the Earth though, so I advise against hurrying the apocalypse. ;)
 

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...these things are the beginning of travail.
Where in Scripture does it teach The Body Of Christ, In Romans - Philemon, for
us Today, that we have this "beginning of travail"? We have already had 1993
years of:

"infirmities, persecution, tribulation, distress, trouble, suffering and afflictions,"
and "the Way To Have The Power Of God," Through them:

GRACE Word for our infirmities

Amen?

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided
(+ I and II)! + RICH Blessings
 

ZNP

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5,600% increase in the rate of earthquakes 4.5 or greater worldwide per day over the last 100 years.

Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be famines and earthquakes in divers places.

In the last 135 days we have had 3,038 Earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 22.5 per day.

I posted this a year ago, May 2022, So I am redoing this using today

In the last 135 days we have had 2,743 Earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 20.3 per day.

During the 5 year period

1922-1926 we had 799 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 0.4 per day

1927-1931 we had 1525 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 0.8 per day

1932-1936 we had 1379 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 0.8 per day

1937-1941 we had 1257 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 0.7 per day

1942-1946 we had 736 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 0.4 per day


1947-1951 we had 1024 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 0.6 per day

1952-1956 we had 1536 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 0.8 per day

1957-1961 we had 1660 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 0.9 per day

1962-1966 we had 2164 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 1.2 per day

1967-1971 we had 2908 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 1.6 per day

1972-1976 we had 13662 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 7.5 per day

1977-1981 we had 17042 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 9.3 per day

1982-1986 we had 20902 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 11.4 per day

1987-1991 we had 20567 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 11.3 per day

1992-1996 we had 22156 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 12.1 per day

1997-2001 we had 22150 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 12.1 per day

2002-2006 we had 31233 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 17.1 per day

2007-2011 we had 36425 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 19.9 per day

2012-2016 we had 37236 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 20.4 per day

2017-2021 we had 36532 earthquakes that were 4.5 or larger worldwide = 20.0 per day


Yes, we have had earthquakes throughout human history, but the frequency has gone off the chart. I use 4.5 as the cutoff because 1 4.5 earthquake is 100x more powerful than a 2.5. Also many of the tremors caused by fracking and other man made activities are usually much smaller than a 4.5.
 

Karlon

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Natural earthquakes have always been present* since God created the earth some 4.6B years ago, as it is inherent to the plate tectonics on the earth. You may ask why does God create plate tectonics? Well, to give nutrients to plants, volcanoes must erupt to form ash on the ground. Plants thrive by using ash as a fertilizer. And volcanoes only form if the earth has plate tectonics, therefore earthquakes happen as a byproduct.

*However, medium magnitude earthquakes may become more prevalent nowadays due to human induced processes such as fracking. For instance, an earthquake in China had 12 deaths. The quake has been caused by human actions. So yeah, quake frequency will increase over the following decades due to human actions, which may be interpreted as a sign of the end times. In other words, the End Times might be partially triggered by us.

Also, the Euphrates river is already drying up, along with the Tigris due to human induced global warming. Climate scientists predict by 2040, the two rivers would be dry. The Bible discusses that the sign of the end would be the drying of those two Mesopotamian rivers. The Muslims also discuss that the apocalypse will happen when the Tigris & Euphrates dry up also.

Me personally, I don't think the world would end for another century, assuming the rivers get some nice rain in the future, but no one knows the hour of Christ's return, and we should not try and force predictions, though the mid 21st century could be possible. So, if we want Jesus to return quicker, everyone should get a Hummer H2 and burn their compost piles to dry up the Tigris and Euphrates. God did say be good stewards of the Earth though, so I advise against hurrying the apocalypse. ;)
look up Kenneth Hamm. he's an expert on earth's age. the earth definitely isn't billions of years old. whatever the reason earthquakes will occur more often doesn't matter, it's just that it's going to happen. the end times are triggered by us, partially, because of sin.
 
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look up Kenneth Hamm. he's an expert on earth's age. the earth definitely isn't billions of years old. whatever the reason earthquakes will occur more often doesn't matter, it's just that it's going to happen. the end times are triggered by us, partially, because of sin.
I see you are a Young Earth Creationist, but believe in the latter part of my statement. But yeah, the first part of the end times will be triggered by our sin for damaging the earth God gave us.
 

Karlon

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I see you are a Young Earth Creationist, but believe in the latter part of my statement. But yeah, the first part of the end times will be triggered by our sin for damaging the earth God gave us.
no. just a born again christian.
 

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ZNP

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PROPHECY--RED SKIES/THE SIGN


Rocks of Fire -- Judgement on Mystery Babylon, one hour.

Second Red Sky -- all water turned to blood and the sky will reflect the red water.

You who call yourself my people are reprobate and I will spew 90% out of my mouth.

Only those I have chosen will stand. Those I call my remnant. Those who seek after me with their whole heart. Those who have not given in to the beast. Those who have repented and follow Me, not the world. Those are my 10%.

60 million will die as payment for the 60 million babies killed in abortions.
 
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Karlon

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