Any Post or Non-Tribbers in Here?

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for That Day shall not come, except there come a falling [THE Departure] away [from earth] first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition..."

Pre trib rapture theory was started by John Darby from England in the 19th century. It has no scriptural attestation, only loosely drawn conclusions. It has no spiritual value.

If you do a word study on falling away, you will see that it is not a good thing.

An all too common misapprehension of that specific text.
See post #969 by @TheDivineWatermark

At the Last Trump the dead in Christ will rise. 1Cor.15:51-52.

Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with Him. 1Thess.4:16-18

If we do not precede those that are fallen asleep (died), and there is only one last trump, then it is plain that we will be raptured (caught up) after the Tribulation just like Jesus told us in Matt. 24:14-22, 29

Notice in the above passage that Christ was speaking privately to the apostles and instructing them as though they would experience these things. (So, as to pass the Faith on to those of us that listen to them.)

And notice that it is for the elect's sake that the tribulation will be cut short.

Verse 29-31 says plainly when the rapture is to take place. At the Last Trump.

I looked up the word falling in the Strongs and it plainly says #646 apostasia, defection from truth (as in an apostacy).

No departure. It comes from the word #647 apostasion, something seperative, such as a divorce.

I can see why someone would read into the meaning that it is referring to the Catching Away, but I see perfect continuity in the scriptures to support a post tribulation rapture.

The thing that is truly frightening is that many people do not believe that we will see the Mark of the Beast because they believe that they will not be here to see it, yet I know for a fact that the Mark is ready to be implemented soon.

The antichrist is soon to be revealed. Many will apostasize when they do not recognize the man of sin and obey him believing that his mandate could not be the mark because they are not raptured yet.

At the Last Trump the dead in Christ will rise. 1Cor.15:51-52.

Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with Him. 1Thess.4:16-18

If we do not precede those that are fallen asleep (died), and there is only one last trump, then it is plain that we will be raptured (caught up) after the Tribulation just like Jesus told us in Matt. 24:14-22, 29

Notice in the above passage that Christ was speaking privately to the apostles and instructing them as though they would experience these things. (So, as to pass the Faith on to those of us that listen to them.)

And notice that it is for the elect's sake that the tribulation will be cut short.

Verse 29-31 says plainly when the rapture is to take place. At the Last Trump.

Strongs drank the koolaide too. Anyways post # 969 and my posts clear this up.
BTW.....the term "faith" is nowhere to be found in that verse if you didnt know.

From what I understand of the pre-trib rapture theory is that it was originally taught by a Jesuit priest, Emmanual Akunza Manuel Lacunza - Wikipedia who then taught it to John Nelson Darby, who then wrote the Jesuit's theory in the footnotes of his bible that was then published to the masses as a study bible for seminarians.

I'm not sure if you are aware of the role that the Jesuits play in their mother church.

I would highly recommend you study up on the Jesuits. They are affecting all protestant churches even to this day.

At the Last Trump the dead in Christ will rise. 1Cor.15:51-52.

Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with Him. 1Thess.4:16-18

If we do not precede those that are fallen asleep (died), and there is only one last trump, then it is plain that we will be raptured (caught up) after the Tribulation just like Jesus told us in Matt. 24:14-22, 29

Notice in the above passage that Christ was speaking privately to the apostles and instructing them as though they would experience these things. (So, as to pass the Faith on to those of us that listen to them.)

And notice that it is for the elect's sake that the tribulation will be cut short.

Verse 29-31 says plainly when the rapture is to take place. At the Last Trump.

It was in the Strongs.

I do a lot of pondering about end times and what it’ll look like for the believer. No one in my church wants to talk about it, so I thought I’d bring it here.

I have heard a few theologians proclaim that a pre-trib rapture is false doctrine, and a “lie from the pit of hell”.

I’m a pre-tribber married to a post tribber, and frankly, his arguments for a post tribulational rapture don’t hold water as far as I’m concerned. Perhaps a post-tribber from this forum can make me understand.

I have an open mind. Mostly because I fully expected the rapture to happen last year. The numbers just made sense. 2021 was 73 years since Israel became a nation, leaving 7 years for the tribulation culminating in the 80-year-old-generation mentioned in Psalms.

Regardless, God is angry, and He’s about to punish the entire planet, and I’m persuaded that ours is the generation that will see these things come to pass. With a possible (probable?) WWIII scenario, and end time prophecies jumping off the pages of the Bible, I am fascinated, excited, and a little nervous. I would love to read the thoughts of any post-tribbers on what you think it will look like for believers to go through the tribulation (specifically, the 7 trumpets, seals and bowls of The Revelation.)

Do post-tribbers believe that as God’s elect, we are subject to the same wrath as everyone else? For instance, at some point the earth will be bombarded with 75 lb hailstones (Rev 16:21). Are we subject to God’s wrath in that we will be crushed along with everyone else? Or will they not effect us? When those crazy looking locusts are tormenting the population, are we to be supernaturally protected from them?

If you’re a post-tribber (or even a non-tribber) convince me that I’m wrong. I wouldn’t want to believe God for something that’s never going to happen based on misinterpreted scripture.

Anybody?

From what I understand of the pre-trib rapture theory is that it was originally taught by a Jesuit priest, Emmanual Akunza Manuel Lacunza - Wikipedia who then taught it to John Nelson Darby, who then wrote the Jesuit's theory in the footnotes of his bible that was then published to the masses as a study bible for seminarians.

I'm not sure if you are aware of the role that the Jesuits play in their mother church.

I would highly recommend you study up on the Jesuits. They are affecting all protestant churches even to this day.

Wikipedia has interesting information. Everyone agrees that Darby is largely responsible for popularizing pre trib. I've heard a few different stories on where he got it from. I can not contest Wikipedia's info, but I have seen Wikipedia change their information, if it draws offence from enough people. One example is Joseph Smith. They almost completely changed their write up about him. In the last version they cast him as a noble clergyman. In their original version, they presented him as a charlatan who was finally killed while trying to escape prison. Thanks for your post.

From what I understand of the pre-trib rapture theory is that it was originally taught by a Jesuit priest, Emmanual Akunza Manuel Lacunza - Wikipedia who then taught it to John Nelson Darby, who then wrote the Jesuit's theory in the footnotes of his bible that was then published to the masses as a study bible for seminarians.

I'm not sure if you are aware of the role that the Jesuits play in their mother church.

I would highly recommend you study up on the Jesuits. They are affecting all protestant churches even to this day.

@TheDivineWatermark is literally 100% correct as regards all things pre-trib rapture and the 70th week trib and the SC and the book of Revelation and Daniel and the prophets as they speak to the tribulation and SC.

You now have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to understand all of this better than anyone you'll ever meet. Far FAR better than most pastors and vastly better than most Church members.

You will either buckle down, grit your teeth and actually study those links by spending weeks and months in careful study. Or you will continue to spew garbage similar to the content of your post.

Sorry kid I know this post sounds harsh. If you really want to know study that list of links I provided. @TheDivineWatermark is a boss and you would be wise to heed what he says.

We shall soon see...

I don't think certain people understood what you wrote, lol!