Any Post or Non-Tribbers in Here?
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An all too common misapprehension of that specific text.
See post #969 by @TheDivineWatermark
See post #969 by @TheDivineWatermark
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At the Last Trump the dead in Christ will rise. 1Cor.15:51-52.
Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with Him. 1Thess.4:16-18
If we do not precede those that are fallen asleep (died), and there is only one last trump, then it is plain that we will be raptured (caught up) after the Tribulation just like Jesus told us in Matt. 24:14-22, 29
Notice in the above passage that Christ was speaking privately to the apostles and instructing them as though they would experience these things. (So, as to pass the Faith on to those of us that listen to them.)
And notice that it is for the elect's sake that the tribulation will be cut short.
Verse 29-31 says plainly when the rapture is to take place. At the Last Trump.
Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with Him. 1Thess.4:16-18
If we do not precede those that are fallen asleep (died), and there is only one last trump, then it is plain that we will be raptured (caught up) after the Tribulation just like Jesus told us in Matt. 24:14-22, 29
Notice in the above passage that Christ was speaking privately to the apostles and instructing them as though they would experience these things. (So, as to pass the Faith on to those of us that listen to them.)
And notice that it is for the elect's sake that the tribulation will be cut short.
Verse 29-31 says plainly when the rapture is to take place. At the Last Trump.
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I looked up the word falling in the Strongs and it plainly says #646 apostasia, defection from truth (as in an apostacy).
No departure. It comes from the word #647 apostasion, something seperative, such as a divorce.
I can see why someone would read into the meaning that it is referring to the Catching Away, but I see perfect continuity in the scriptures to support a post tribulation rapture.
The thing that is truly frightening is that many people do not believe that we will see the Mark of the Beast because they believe that they will not be here to see it, yet I know for a fact that the Mark is ready to be implemented soon.
The antichrist is soon to be revealed. Many will apostasize when they do not recognize the man of sin and obey him believing that his mandate could not be the mark because they are not raptured yet.
No departure. It comes from the word #647 apostasion, something seperative, such as a divorce.
I can see why someone would read into the meaning that it is referring to the Catching Away, but I see perfect continuity in the scriptures to support a post tribulation rapture.
The thing that is truly frightening is that many people do not believe that we will see the Mark of the Beast because they believe that they will not be here to see it, yet I know for a fact that the Mark is ready to be implemented soon.
The antichrist is soon to be revealed. Many will apostasize when they do not recognize the man of sin and obey him believing that his mandate could not be the mark because they are not raptured yet.
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From what I understand of the pre-trib rapture theory is that it was originally taught by a Jesuit priest, Emmanual Akunza Manuel Lacunza - Wikipedia who then taught it to John Nelson Darby, who then wrote the Jesuit's theory in the footnotes of his bible that was then published to the masses as a study bible for seminarians.
I'm not sure if you are aware of the role that the Jesuits play in their mother church.
I would highly recommend you study up on the Jesuits. They are affecting all protestant churches even to this day.
I'm not sure if you are aware of the role that the Jesuits play in their mother church.
I would highly recommend you study up on the Jesuits. They are affecting all protestant churches even to this day.
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You are obviously new to this. Because you are completely wrong about how you are interpreting these verses and terms of the flow and span of prophetic time. I provided a list of links that you would have to read and understand and it would take weeks upon weeks. No reading no understanding.
Just to let you know the rapture has already occurred by the time Matthew 24 rolls around. And Matthew 24 speaks exclusively to the leftover earth dwellers but more specifically Israel.
You are making the same mistakes every greenhorn makes.
Read that list of links I provided. It will help unscramble your brain.
Just to let you know the rapture has already occurred by the time Matthew 24 rolls around. And Matthew 24 speaks exclusively to the leftover earth dwellers but more specifically Israel.
You are making the same mistakes every greenhorn makes.
Read that list of links I provided. It will help unscramble your brain.
I know all of this Inside and out and sideways. Strong's made a bad call on that term. Strongs is not infalible just to let you know.
The correct interpretation of that term is: THE (definite article) DEPARTURE (noun).
Nothing more nothing less. And "faith" and "falling away" is nowhere in the mix. Period.
The correct interpretation of that term is: THE (definite article) DEPARTURE (noun).
Nothing more nothing less. And "faith" and "falling away" is nowhere in the mix. Period.
Wikipedia has interesting information. Everyone agrees that Darby is largely responsible for popularizing pre trib. I've heard a few different stories on where he got it from. I can not contest Wikipedia's info, but I have seen Wikipedia change their information, if it draws offence from enough people. One example is Joseph Smith. They almost completely changed their write up about him. In the last version they cast him as a noble clergyman. In their original version, they presented him as a charlatan who was finally killed while trying to escape prison. Thanks for your post.
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I have heard this info about John Darby since there was hardly internet or wikipedia.
I completely understand your apprehension to take their info as complete history. I thought I'd include it in case someone would want to cross reference the names and date to study up on it. I would not use it as a proof for sure, it is subject to change just as you said. It can be helpful as a starting point if you want to do a deeper study.
Thanks for making that clear. I appreciate the feedback.
I completely understand your apprehension to take their info as complete history. I thought I'd include it in case someone would want to cross reference the names and date to study up on it. I would not use it as a proof for sure, it is subject to change just as you said. It can be helpful as a starting point if you want to do a deeper study.
Thanks for making that clear. I appreciate the feedback.
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@TheDivineWatermark is literally 100% correct as regards all things pre-trib rapture and the 70th week trib and the SC and the book of Revelation and Daniel and the prophets as they speak to the tribulation and SC.
You now have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to understand all of this better than anyone you'll ever meet. Far FAR better than most pastors and vastly better than most Church members.
You will either buckle down, grit your teeth and actually study those links by spending weeks and months in careful study. Or you will continue to spew garbage similar to the content of your post.
Sorry kid I know this post sounds harsh. If you really want to know study that list of links I provided. @TheDivineWatermark is a boss and you would be wise to heed what he says.
You now have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to understand all of this better than anyone you'll ever meet. Far FAR better than most pastors and vastly better than most Church members.
You will either buckle down, grit your teeth and actually study those links by spending weeks and months in careful study. Or you will continue to spew garbage similar to the content of your post.
Sorry kid I know this post sounds harsh. If you really want to know study that list of links I provided. @TheDivineWatermark is a boss and you would be wise to heed what he says.
Don't let that hold you back from intensive long-term studies of what he is saying.
I have learned more from him and more in depth (like deeeeeep down there) and more quickly than in decades and decades of my earlier pilgrimage. And I was always a prophecy nut who was always pretrib premillennial.
Now having the benefit of the diligent study of his work, to say that I am firmly entrenched as a pretrib premillennial is the understatement of the century.
BTW......an ancillary benefit is that you will be able to uttely quash the pretensions of the a-mills, post-mills, preterists and historicists. All of whom are absolutely dead wrong.
I have learned more from him and more in depth (like deeeeeep down there) and more quickly than in decades and decades of my earlier pilgrimage. And I was always a prophecy nut who was always pretrib premillennial.
Now having the benefit of the diligent study of his work, to say that I am firmly entrenched as a pretrib premillennial is the understatement of the century.
BTW......an ancillary benefit is that you will be able to uttely quash the pretensions of the a-mills, post-mills, preterists and historicists. All of whom are absolutely dead wrong.