Salvation is for the Whole World
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Based on the logic that if Christ died for all the sins of the whole world and then to assume that the whole world would be saved if that were true is like saying that everyone will be saved no repentance, no belief, no obedience necessary. Jesus died for sin therefore any prerequisites He made do not apply...
I believe you are denying much scripture to hold to this division.
I believe the doctrine of election and predestination.
I've seen only divisions come from pushing this doctrine. What is the point? When we are called to do all to walk in peace with those around us.
Mark 16:15-16; John3:18; Acts2:38; 16:30-32 all state what One must do to be Saved.
Also, what do you say concerning what Jesus said of himself here? John 12:32
I believe the doctrine of election and predestination.
I've seen only divisions come from pushing this doctrine. What is the point? When we are called to do all to walk in peace with those around us.
Mark 16:15-16; John3:18; Acts2:38; 16:30-32 all state what One must do to be Saved.
Also, what do you say concerning what Jesus said of himself here? John 12:32
What is central to the verses you included is belief. However, we are informed that true belief is a gift of the Holy Spirit, but only to those
whom God had chosen for salvation. Look at Acts 13:48 following. It does not say those who believed were ordained to eternal life, it says that those ordained to eternal life believed with being ordained as the prerequisite, not the reverse.
[Act 13:48 KJV] 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Regarding those of John 12:32, we are told in verse 12:37& 39, that even though they (His disciples) saw so many miracles by Him, yet they COULD NOT BELIEVE. If they, having been His disciples and having observed His miracles first-hand yet could not believe, then true belief is not a function of man's intellect, but of a spiritual change and only God can cause that. So, the "all" of 12:32 represent the elect, not everyone.
[Jhn 12:37 KJV] 37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
[Jhn 12:39 KJV] 39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
whom God had chosen for salvation. Look at Acts 13:48 following. It does not say those who believed were ordained to eternal life, it says that those ordained to eternal life believed with being ordained as the prerequisite, not the reverse.
[Act 13:48 KJV] 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Regarding those of John 12:32, we are told in verse 12:37& 39, that even though they (His disciples) saw so many miracles by Him, yet they COULD NOT BELIEVE. If they, having been His disciples and having observed His miracles first-hand yet could not believe, then true belief is not a function of man's intellect, but of a spiritual change and only God can cause that. So, the "all" of 12:32 represent the elect, not everyone.
[Jhn 12:37 KJV] 37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
[Jhn 12:39 KJV] 39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
You don't get it, all I did was Submit to when He called me. From other than submission, God, has been preparing my life to become Saved, to be in a place to hear Him, and know you are broken down to His Righteousness through Needing Him. And when you submit to Him, He steps on inside and from then on, you just Rely upon Him for everything.
How you handle life, people, friends, family, co-workers, church members, and all the other trials including you in this discussion, you let God lead and if the Truth remains hidden that is no excuse.
How you handle life, people, friends, family, co-workers, church members, and all the other trials including you in this discussion, you let God lead and if the Truth remains hidden that is no excuse.
Everyone that Jesus died for, which are only those that his Father gave him (John 6:39) is saved eternally, without the loss of one.
Jesus's sacrifice was an offering to God, for God's acceptance, and not to mankind, for mankind's acceptance.
If you continue in your belief that eternal salvation is gained by your good works, you will be blinded to seeing the truths of Jesus's doctrine, until you repent of that false doctrine.
The scripture says that if you are a friend of the world, you are an enemy of God.
Salvation=deliverance, according to Greek. There is a one time eternal deliverance,, not by the works of mankind, and there are many deliverances that the child of God experiences as he sojourns here on earth, accomplished by his good works.
You can put an red x on this as you are so fond of doing,
But I find this doctrine much like the doctrine of a legalism.
A gift is a gift because I did not put forward any money or work into making/creating/achieving that gift.
Can you not understand the gift is complete! The gift was made/achieved because of the grace of God, because He loved His creation.
An NO accepting the fully completed gift is not a work that is ridiculous.
But I find this doctrine much like the doctrine of a legalism.
A gift is a gift because I did not put forward any money or work into making/creating/achieving that gift.
Can you not understand the gift is complete! The gift was made/achieved because of the grace of God, because He loved His creation.
An NO accepting the fully completed gift is not a work that is ridiculous.
Accepting the gift is not but trying to invoke or lay claim to it BY your accepting of it, is. Anything
that must be done by someone to get it, makes it into a work regardless of how little or how much is required.
The Bible describes it not only as a gift, but as a free gift. That means it is PLACED into one's possession by God
with the intervention or action of man neither necessary nor possible.
You are desirous to take the title of Saviour away from Christ and place it upon yourself.
It's not complicated.
that must be done by someone to get it, makes it into a work regardless of how little or how much is required.
The Bible describes it not only as a gift, but as a free gift. That means it is PLACED into one's possession by God
with the intervention or action of man neither necessary nor possible.
You are desirous to take the title of Saviour away from Christ and place it upon yourself.
It's not complicated.