"What must I do to be saved?"

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Nehemiah6

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It might inlighten you to refer to the Greek meaning of salvation, which means "a deliverance".
I am perfectly familiar with the fact that salvation means deliverance. And there are NOT "many salvations, as you claim. So once again you enmeshed in false doctrines.
 
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Why do so many talk about works then for salvation? I thought works was for earning rewards in Heaven but our believing in Jesus was a one time and forever salvation event.
 

ForestGreenCook

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I am perfectly familiar with the fact that salvation means deliverance. And there are NOT "many salvations, as you claim. So once again you enmeshed in false doctrines.
The many scriptures that you claim does not exist are the ones that you are teaching that eternal salvation is accomplished by your good works. Believing, accepting, repenting, following God's commandments, etc.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Why do so many talk about works then for salvation? I thought works was for earning rewards in Heaven but our believing in Jesus was a one time and forever salvation event.
sadly,

they are duped by satan, like the jews, who believe salvation is based on faith Plus.
 

fredoheaven

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Does believing in Christ constitute a work? No because:
"Therefore it is of faith, that it may be by grace" Romans 4:16
"And if by grace, then it is no more of works." Romans 11:6
"This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." John 6:29

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Pilgrimshope

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What does this have to do with the thread, just curious?
“The Gospel of Salvation is clear, simple, and elementary.”

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

John146

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“The Gospel of Salvation is clear, simple, and elementary.”

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
The gospel of grace in which Paul preached had gone out to all the world, been preached to every creature under heaven and to all nations. The gospel of the kingdom will be preached during the tribulation by the two witnesses and 144,000 male Jews. The gospel of the kingdom is the good news of the second coming of Jesus as King of kings.
 

Pilgrimshope

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John 5:14 - Only God's sheep hear his voice (John 10:26-29). Those hear and believe, already hath eternal life.
"And being fully persuaded that, what he (God) had promised, he was able also to perform."

See what God promised for those living in the NT:

"...Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."
amen the same is true of everything he taught

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word,

then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth,

and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to say I believe in Jesus yet I reject what he taught is a contradiction
 

Pilgrimshope

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The gospel of grace in which Paul preached had gone out to all the world, been preached to every creature under heaven and to all nations. The gospel of the kingdom will be preached during the tribulation by the two witnesses and 144,000 male Jews. The gospel of the kingdom is the good news of the second coming of Jesus as King of kings.
“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: by whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:1, 3-6‬ ‭

What Paul was witnessing to all

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There is only one gospel but it’s impossible to discuss the Bible with hypergracers trained by Joseph prince and Paul Ellis doctrine
 

oyster67

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Why do so many talk about works then for salvation? I thought works was for earning rewards in Heaven but our believing in Jesus was a one time and forever salvation event.
You are correct. Works follow after like fruits from a tree. Many false teachers (some have already posted on this thread) pretend that placing one's faith in Jesus is a work, thereby hoping to discredit God's plan of salvation.

The best explanation of how works fit in can be found in Ephesians 2...
Ephesians 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
 

John146

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#33
“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: by whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:1, 3-6‬ ‭

What Paul was witnessing to all

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There is only one gospel but it’s impossible to discuss the Bible with hypergracers trained by Joseph prince and Paul Ellis doctrine
The kingdom of God is not the gospel of the kingdom.

Colossians 1:
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Verse 23:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
 

fredoheaven

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John 5:14 - Only God's sheep hear his voice (John 10:26-29). Those hear and believe, already hath eternal life.
John 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

The Jews that were around cast doubt that Jesus was Christ even though he already told them he was. So in essence upon hearing the word of Christ, there are some that reject his words and some believed the truth, hence, it's a matter of believing or not believing at all. Those who hear and believe are presently given eternal life.
 

Pilgrimshope

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The kingdom of God is not the gospel of the kingdom.

Colossians 1:
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Verse 23:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
right Paul is a servant witness and minister of the only gospel his role was one of the witnesses who were to preach it to the whole world Paul’s role is to preach the gospel to everyone and that’s what Paul did until his execution by Nero


You don’t have any valid argument that will ever create a second gospel what Jesus preached was sent to every creature in the world not just then but until the world ends yourself included
 

oyster67

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The gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world during the tribulation by the two witnesses and 144,000 male Jews. It is concerning the coming kingdom to earth where Jesus will reign as King of kings.

Paul's message of salvation has been preached in all the world, to every creature under heaven, and to all nations.
The Great Commision is for everyone, not just the two witnesses and the twelve disciples.
 

GRACE_ambassador

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op: What Must I do to be saved?
"Believe On The LORD Jesus Christ!":

"For I delivered unto you first of all That Which I also received, how that
Christ Died for our sins According To The Scriptures; And that He was buried,
and that He Rose again the third day According To The Scriptures"

The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God, Not the gospel of the kingdom:

God’s Approval/TWO Different gospels In prophecy And MYSTERY!

Amen.
 

John146

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right Paul is a servant witness and minister of the only gospel his role was one of the witnesses who were to preach it to the whole world Paul’s role is to preach the gospel to everyone and that’s what Paul did until his execution by Nero


You don’t have any valid argument that will ever create a second gospel what Jesus preached was sent to every creature in the world not just then but until the world ends yourself included
The gospel that Paul has gone out into all the world and yet, the end has not come. What gives?
 
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Why do so many talk about works then for salvation? I thought works was for earning rewards in Heaven but our believing in Jesus was a one time and forever salvation event.
They are for Rewards.

This discussion boils down to the single Moment when God comes to a person, this person is in church and feels the Message speaking to them, God embraces this person with His Love, God invites this person in their [spirit-heart-mind] to Follow Him, and then the person Submits themselves to God and prays through becoming Saved.

The Moment is God Inviting the person to Follow Him and the Person Submitting.

How can a person Submit without choosing to do so?

^
That is Not a works, that is a Reaction of Affirmation to God's Invitation.

But, the person has to choose to do that...even though...it's not a works...it's a Submission.
 

fredoheaven

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You are correct. Works follow after like fruits from a tree. Many false teachers (some have already posted on this thread) pretend that placing one's faith in Jesus is a work, thereby hoping to discredit God's plan of salvation.

The best explanation of how works fit in can be found in Ephesians 2...
Ephesians 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
The gift of God here refers to salvation. The gift of salvation is through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and "not of works"

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.